Re: [extremeprogramming] Origin of term "standup"?

Hi Tim.

You are not alone in feeling like that, my experience has been very
similar.
The "jira update" style standup seems to have become the norm for projects
I've joined in recent years.

Generally I find zero value in stand-ups for the reasons you suggest,
- either I'm working as a mob, or even just as a team, and we know what we
did yesterday and will do today; or
- I'm working in a silo, and what other people did is more or less
irrelevant to me - I'll get more relevant information from reviewing
pull-requests.

Would there be value in collectively agreeing whether the spring goal is
still appropriate, and how best to burn that day in the pursuit of that
goal.
Absolutely, but most days, that check that would be a very small thing -
not even a meeting.
If remediation / adjustments required, then that is likely a much bigger
thing than a 15 minute standup.

That said, if I can wrangle it so I speak first, then the "jira update"
standup does give some useful "zone out" time.
So not completely valueless I suppose.

Cheers

Craig




On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 15:25, Tim Ottinger via Groups.Io <linux_tim=
[email protected]> wrote:

>
> I said I would let it go, but I don’t see how using 3 questions in a
> standup meeting in the morning focused on updating Jira is “many ways of
> working” but not doing that leaves only exactly 1.
>
> I find that uniformly, when people ARE doing it this way, it’s a sign of
> some dysfunction(s). That’s my experience. There are many ways of working
> that do NOT do that, just as there are many ways of working even if one
> does use Jira update meetings.
>
> But the Jira update meetings are almost always a sign that teamwork is
> lacking, people aren’t talking, and that the 15 minutes is mostly (usually
> about 13 minutes) wasted on everyone there.
>
> Classic “I worked on 2356 yesterday, today I hope to get started on 3440.
> No blockers” typically gives no information that anyone the team has any
> investment in hearing. Nobody knows your ticket numbers, and they all have
> their own. It’s a waste. Who really knows what 2330 means? Remember 2330?
> You worked on that last month. No? Me either.
>
>
>
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>
> On Sunday, November 24, 2019, 11:52 AM, Steve Gordon <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> "When I see the 3 questions Jira-update meeting, it is a fairly sure sign
> of dysfunction."
>
> Saying that implies there is only one way for a team to work effectively.
> I do not believe that.
>
> Furthermore, when this meeting is a sign of dysfunction, it is quite
> likely the meeting itself is not the most dysfunctional thing the team is
> or is not doing.  I would suspect JIRA is a often a much greater source of
> dysfunction than the meeting is.
>
> 
>
>

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