Re: [extremeprogramming] What has changed for you over the past 20 years?

Hi Robin,

Nice to see you here!

sent from iPad, probably via Mars. Errors, if any, are not mine.
[email protected] is a better address for me, maybe.

> On Dec 4, 2019, at 12:58 AM, R Dymond <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Being in the Scrum camp more than XP, in every CSM I overview in detail TDD, CI, Pairing, Mobbing and Swarming. Also explain that you have to look at XP,  not Scrum for great ideas on how to make great quality software.

I wish we knew how many CSTs do that. I think what we do know is that even that apparently doesn't work, as your own story below tells.
> 
> I am at a loss on how to sell these ideas though. At a client who I started working with Scrum in 2010 I have trained most the staff on Scrum. They have over 1000 developers. We sold a total of 2 XP/TDD immersion courses with a well known XP Coach after strenuous internal marketing from HR and finally a Dev Sr Mgr assigning people to the classes. This same company spends millions per year on dev training and regularly sell out courses on Swift, C++, python, r, react, vmware, AWS, Azure, tensorflow etc. etc. Budget isn't the issue, demand for XP practices training is the struggle.
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> So in 20 years we still do not have the business case we need to convince developers to widely adopt and spread these ideas.

It's a puzzlement. I've been talking with Howard Sublett (Scrum Alliance Chief Product Owner, for those who don't know) about the developer problem. He's interested, and I think he'd put some money behind it, but I'm at a loss as to how to effectively help. It's not clear what to do.

Ah well,

R
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