Re: [extremeprogramming] What has changed for you over the past 20 years?

Huh, this really got me thinking.
Here is what I would like to see if I had millions of dollars and lots of
influence.

The Continuous Coding Foundation, which functions like an open source
foundation for Continuous Coding practices.
The foundation offers training and certification in graduated Continuous
Coding practices.

Practices can belong to 1 of four levels. Abandoned, Sandbox, Incubation,
and Graduated.

Examples of Abandoned practices, would be known antipatterns or projects
which are found to have negative indicators when data is collected on them.
For example, brittle tests.

An example of a sandbox practice would be Test && Commit || Revert. It's a
well defined practice with a declared goal and has multiple articles on the
topic. But lacks data on it's effectiveness, but could in theory have data
collected and it's effectiveness proven.

An example of an Incubation practice would be Red Green Refactor. It's a
common practice who's practitioners report gains when combined with other
practices. But it lacks data on it's benefits when done in isolation , and
there might be evidence that if done without full understanding, can cause
harm.

Then an example of graduated would be practices which have been studied or
reported on in academic /trade journals with clear data demonstrating that
companies who adopt these practices deliver better software than those that
don't.  For example, quick iterations between tests and production code.

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 00:34 Avi Kessner via Groups.Io <akessner=
[email protected]> wrote:

> If I were to market XP today I would call it "Continuous Coding". So you
> do CC, then CI, then CD.  You could shorten this to C3, and bring XP back
> in a full circle.
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 23:22 Slava Imeshev via Groups.Io <imeshev=
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Robin,
>>
>> I think it’s a great idea to build a sellable brand for XP. How about
>> 'Effective Programming', as in delivering results?
>>
>> Slava
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2019, at 10:42 AM, R Dymond <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Ron!
>>
>> Yes I believe Howard could invest *a lot* if he saw a route to growing
>> these practices.
>>
>> A couple ideas:
>> Agree that this needs a major rebranding. "Safe" sells, "extreme" is a
>> terrible brand for an industry practice. James Gosling, working at Sun got
>> marketing and branding involved and thats why we got the great branding for
>> Java.
>>
>> How do we make these ideas cool? Can we get the top tech celebrities
>> advocating and pitching for these ideas? By celebs I mean mainstream tech
>> celebs like Linus Torvalds, some of these guys
>> https://www.quora.com/Who-are-the-best-engineers-at-Google-Why
>> And also tech business leaders who can influence the CXO crowd.
>>
>>
>> Robin Dymond, CST
>> Managing Partner, Innovel
>> www.innovel.net
>> www.scrumtraining.com
>> Direct: (804) 239-4329
>> twitter: @robindymond
>> Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robindymond
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 9:17 AM Ron Jeffries <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Robin,
>>>
>>> Nice to see you here!
>>>
>>> sent from iPad, probably via Mars. Errors, if any, are not mine.
>>> [email protected] is a better address for me, maybe.
>>>
>>> > On Dec 4, 2019, at 12:58 AM, R Dymond <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Being in the Scrum camp more than XP, in every CSM I overview in
>>> detail TDD, CI, Pairing, Mobbing and Swarming. Also explain that you have
>>> to look at XP,  not Scrum for great ideas on how to make great quality
>>> software.
>>>
>>> I wish we knew how many CSTs do that. I think what we do know is that
>>> even that apparently doesn't work, as your own story below tells.
>>> >
>>> > I am at a loss on how to sell these ideas though. At a client who I
>>> started working with Scrum in 2010 I have trained most the staff on Scrum.
>>> They have over 1000 developers. We sold a total of 2 XP/TDD immersion
>>> courses with a well known XP Coach after strenuous internal marketing from
>>> HR and finally a Dev Sr Mgr assigning people to the classes. This same
>>> company spends millions per year on dev training and regularly sell out
>>> courses on Swift, C++, python, r, react, vmware, AWS, Azure, tensorflow
>>> etc. etc. Budget isn't the issue, demand for XP practices training is the
>>> struggle.
>>> >
>>> > So in 20 years we still do not have the business case we need to
>>> convince developers to widely adopt and spread these ideas.
>>>
>>> It's a puzzlement. I've been talking with Howard Sublett (Scrum Alliance
>>> Chief Product Owner, for those who don't know) about the developer problem.
>>> He's interested, and I think he'd put some money behind it, but I'm at a
>>> loss as to how to effectively help. It's not clear what to do.
>>>
>>> Ah well,
>>>
>>> R
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> 
>
>

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