Re: [extremeprogramming] What has changed for you over the past 20 years?

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Why would anyone get a bonus for doing what is required?
Requiring or expecting 100% code coverage is a very different practice fro=
m
rewarding 100% code coverage.
Don't confuse the two concepts.

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 06:34 James Grenning <[email protected]> wrote:

> Did they get their 100% test coverage bonus?
>
> On 4 Dec 2019, at 23:30, Dave Nicolette wrote:
>
> Just recently I worked with a team that achieved 100% line coverage with=
 a
> single gigantic, meaningless test method. It was awesome!
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 22:48 Mike Bowler <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Yep. TDD is a holly grail. Just having a policy not to check in any cod=
e
>> without 100% unit test coverage does wonders to quality.
>>
>>
>> I can=E2=80=99t tell if you meant that as sarcasm. I=E2=80=99ve seen th=
at policy put in
>> place and the =E2=80=9Cquality=E2=80=9D that results. I expect many of =
us here have seen
>> that disaster.
>>
>> Mike Bowler
>> Agile & Technical, Coach and Trainer
>> Cell: 905 409-7052
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<div dir=3D"auto">Why would anyone get a bonus for doing what is required?<=
div dir=3D"auto">Requiring or expecting 100% code coverage is a very differ=
ent practice from rewarding 100% code coverage.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto=
">Don&#39;t confuse the two concepts.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 06:34 James=
 Grenning &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
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<div style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><div style=3D"white-space:normal"><p=
 dir=3D"auto">Did they get their 100% test coverage bonus?</p>
<br><p dir=3D"auto">On 4 Dec 2019, at 23:30, Dave Nicolette wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid #777;color:#777;margin:0 0 5px;=
padding-left:5px"><div id=3D"m_611935392097013291E308E437-A702-4C3A-8BDD-A8=
85491EEFA7"><div dir=3D"auto">Just recently I worked with a team that achie=
ved 100% line coverage with a single gigantic, meaningless test method. It =
was awesome!</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 22:48 Mike Bowler &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mb=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mbowler@ga=
rgoylesoftware.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><=
div dir=3D"auto"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">Yep. TDD is a h=
olly grail. Just having a policy not to check in any code without 100% unit=
 test coverage does wonders to quality.</div></blockquote><div><br></div>I =
can=E2=80=99t tell if you meant that as sarcasm. I=E2=80=99ve seen that pol=
icy put in place and the =E2=80=9Cquality=E2=80=9D that results. I expect m=
any of us here have seen that disaster.<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div s=
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