Re: [extremeprogramming] What has changed for you over the past 20 years?

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Also don't confuse the concepts of humor and seriousness.

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 07:46 Avi Kessner <[email protected]> wrote:

> Why would anyone get a bonus for doing what is required?
> Requiring or expecting 100% code coverage is a very different practice
> from rewarding 100% code coverage.
> Don't confuse the two concepts.
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 06:34 James Grenning <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Did they get their 100% test coverage bonus?
>>
>> On 4 Dec 2019, at 23:30, Dave Nicolette wrote:
>>
>> Just recently I worked with a team that achieved 100% line coverage wit=
h
>> a single gigantic, meaningless test method. It was awesome!
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 22:48 Mike Bowler <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yep. TDD is a holly grail. Just having a policy not to check in any co=
de
>>> without 100% unit test coverage does wonders to quality.
>>>
>>>
>>> I can=E2=80=99t tell if you meant that as sarcasm. I=E2=80=99ve seen t=
hat policy put in
>>> place and the =E2=80=9Cquality=E2=80=9D that results. I expect many of=
 us here have seen
>>> that disaster.
>>>
>>> Mike Bowler
>>> Agile & Technical, Coach and Trainer
>>> Cell: 905 409-7052
>>> www.GargoyleSoftware.com/mike_bowler
>>> <http://www.gargoylesoftware.com/mike_bowler>
>>> www.UnconsciousAgile.com <http://www.unconsciousagile.com/>
>>>
>>> Ask about our Certified Scrum Developer (CSD) training classes
>>> <http://www.gargoylesoftware.com/training/csd>. In-house and public
>>> classes available.
>>>
>>=20
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<div dir=3D"auto">Also don&#39;t confuse the concepts of humor and seriousn=
ess.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at=
tr">On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 07:46 Avi Kessner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:akessner@g=
mail.com">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Why would anyone get a bonus for doing what is r=
equired?<div dir=3D"auto">Requiring or expecting 100% code coverage is a ve=
ry different practice from rewarding 100% code coverage.=C2=A0</div><div di=
r=3D"auto">Don&#39;t confuse the two concepts.</div></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 06=
:34 James Grenning &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>




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<div style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><div style=3D"white-space:normal"><p=
 dir=3D"auto">Did they get their 100% test coverage bonus?</p>
<br><p dir=3D"auto">On 4 Dec 2019, at 23:30, Dave Nicolette wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid #777;color:#777;margin:0 0 5px;=
padding-left:5px"><div id=3D"m_5350512116131499225m_611935392097013291E308E=
437-A702-4C3A-8BDD-A885491EEFA7"><div dir=3D"auto">Just recently I worked w=
ith a team that achieved 100% line coverage with a single gigantic, meaning=
less test method. It was awesome!</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 22:48 Mike Bowler &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferr=
er" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Yep. TDD is a holly grail. Just having a policy not to che=
ck in any code without 100% unit test coverage does wonders to quality.</di=
v></blockquote><div><br></div>I can=E2=80=99t tell if you meant that as sar=
casm. I=E2=80=99ve seen that policy put in place and the =E2=80=9Cquality=
=E2=80=9D that results. I expect many of us here have seen that disaster.<=
br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:=
after-white-space"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-whit=
e-space"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><=
div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div style=
=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div style=3D"word-=
wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break=
-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><span style=3D"background-color:rg=
ba(255,255,255,0)">Mike Bowler</span></div><span style=3D"background-color:=
rgba(255,255,255,0)">Agile &amp; Technical, Coach and Trainer</span><div><s=
pan style=3D"background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Cell:=C2=A0<a href=3D"te=
l:905%20409-7052" dir=3D"ltr" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">905 409-7052</a></span></div><font color=3D"#000000"><span st=
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=3D"_blank">www.UnconsciousAgile.com</a></span></font></div><div style=3D"=
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