Re: [extremeprogramming] What has changed for you over the past 20 years?
"Ron Jeffries" <[email protected]> Thu, 5 Dec 2019 08:19:00 -0500
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--Apple-Mail=_3091A0D8-4CF6-4C6C-AE23-81DED61F936B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 FWIW I [almost] never debug. In most languages I don't even know how to run= the debugger. Once in a while, rarely, I'll stuff in a print. Generally, I= just write a test that fails. > On Dec 5, 2019, at 8:11 AM, Phil Goodwin <[email protected]> wrote: >=20 > Right. There's a step zero involving good old fashioned debugging to fin= d the root cause, but then it makes sense to test drive the solution for al= l the trains it makes sense to TDD in the first place. Ron Jeffries ronjeffries.com <http://ronjeffries.com/> Whenever I feel discouraged, I remember the words of my then-3 yr old afte= r she puked carrots on the floor: =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99m gonna need more carr= ots.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 @JessicaValenti -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#160422): https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/messag= e/160422 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/39418691/2417047 Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/leave/4902963/61983806= 5/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- --Apple-Mail=_3091A0D8-4CF6-4C6C-AE23-81DED61F936B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset= = =3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: = space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">FWIW I [almost] never deb= ug. In most languages I don't even know how to run the debugger. Once in a = while, rarely, I'll stuff in a print. Generally, I just write a test that f= ails.<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"= "><div class=3D"">On Dec 5, 2019, at 8:11 AM, Phil Goodwin <<a href=3D"m= ailto:[email protected]" class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wro= te:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span styl= e=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 18px; font= -style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spac= ing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; whi= te-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-d= ecoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Right= . There's a step zero involving good old fashioned debugging to find the ro= ot cause, but then it makes sense to test drive the solution for all the tr= ains it makes sense to TDD in the first place.</span></div></blockquote></d= iv><br class=3D""><div class=3D""> <div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: nor= mal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-= wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white= -space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; = font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight= : normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-in= dent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-sp= acing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""></div><br class=3D"= ">Ron Jeffries<br class=3D""><a href=3D"http://ronjeffries.com" class=3D"">= ronjeffries.com</a><br class=3D"">Whenever I feel discouraged, I remem= ber the words of my then-3 yr old after she puked carrots on the = floor: =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99m gonna need more carrots.=E2=80=9D<br class= = =3D"">=E2=80=94 @JessicaValenti</div> </div> <br class=3D""></body></html> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> <hr> Groups.io Links:<p> You receive all messages sent to this group. <p> <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/messag= e/160422">View/Reply Online (#160422)</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject= = =3DRe:%20Re%3A%20%5Bextremeprogramming%5D%20What%20has%20changed%20for%20y= ou%20over%20the%20past%2020%20years%3F">Reply To Group</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject= = =3DPrivate:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bextremeprogramming%5D%20What%20has%20change= d%20for%20you%20over%20the%20past%2020%20years%3F">Reply To Sender</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/mt/39418691/2417047">Mu= te This Topic</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/post">New Topic</a><br= > <br> <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/editsub/2417047">Your Su= bscription</a> | <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">Contact Group Owner<= /a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/leave/4902963/619838065/= xyzzy">Unsubscribe</a> [[email protected]]<br> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> --Apple-Mail=_3091A0D8-4CF6-4C6C-AE23-81DED61F936B--