Re: [extremeprogramming] What has changed for you over the past 20 years?
"James Grenning" <[email protected]> Thu, 05 Dec 2019 09:19:13 -0500
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--=_MailMate_3463AC98-DDCF-41AF-8405-C020E9CE2E08_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit LOL! On 5 Dec 2019, at 2:09, Dave Nicolette wrote: > Also don't confuse the concepts of humor and seriousness. > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 07:46 Avi Kessner <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Why would anyone get a bonus for doing what is required? >> Requiring or expecting 100% code coverage is a very different >> practice >> from rewarding 100% code coverage. >> Don't confuse the two concepts. >> >> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 06:34 James Grenning <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Did they get their 100% test coverage bonus? >>> >>> On 4 Dec 2019, at 23:30, Dave Nicolette wrote: >>> >>> Just recently I worked with a team that achieved 100% line coverage >>> with >>> a single gigantic, meaningless test method. It was awesome! >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 22:48 Mike Bowler >>> <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yep. TDD is a holly grail. Just having a policy not to check in any >>>> code >>>> without 100% unit test coverage does wonders to quality. >>>> >>>> >>>> I can’t tell if you meant that as sarcasm. I’ve seen that >>>> policy put in >>>> place and the “quality” that results. I expect many of us here >>>> have seen >>>> that disaster. >>>> >>>> Mike Bowler >>>> Agile & Technical, Coach and Trainer >>>> Cell: 905 409-7052 >>>> www.GargoyleSoftware.com/mike_bowler >>>> <http://www.gargoylesoftware.com/mike_bowler> >>>> www.UnconsciousAgile.com <http://www.unconsciousagile.com/> >>>> >>>> Ask about our Certified Scrum Developer (CSD) training classes >>>> <http://www.gargoylesoftware.com/training/csd>. In-house and public >>>> classes available. >>>> >>> >> > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#160429): https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/message/160429 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/39418691/2417047 Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/leave/4902963/619838065/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --=_MailMate_3463AC98-DDCF-41AF-8405-C020E9CE2E08_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE html> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/xhtml; charset=3Dutf-8"> </head> <body> <div style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><div style=3D"white-space:normal"><p= dir=3D"auto">LOL!</p> <br><p dir=3D"auto">On 5 Dec 2019, at 2:09, Dave Nicolette wrote:</p> </div> <blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5p= x; padding-left:5px"><div id=3D"FE4EB8BC-D71F-404E-A799-8D80E00B2112"><div = dir=3D"auto">Also don't confuse the concepts of humor and seriousness.<= /div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">O= n Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 07:46 Avi Kessner <<a href=3D"mailto:akessner@gmail.= com">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_= quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1= ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Why would anyone get a bonus for doing what is requir= ed?<div dir=3D"auto">Requiring or expecting 100% code coverage is a very di= fferent practice from rewarding 100% code coverage.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"= auto">Don't confuse the two concepts.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmai= l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 06:34 J= ames Grenning <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank"= rel=3D"noreferrer">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquot= e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol= id;padding-left:1ex"><u></u> <div> <div style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><div style=3D"white-space:normal"><p= dir=3D"auto">Did they get their 100% test coverage bonus?</p> <br><p dir=3D"auto">On 4 Dec 2019, at 23:30, Dave Nicolette wrote:</p> </div> <blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid #777;color:#777;margin:0 0 5px;= padding-left:5px"><div id=3D"m_5350512116131499225m_611935392097013291E308E= 437-A702-4C3A-8BDD-A885491EEFA7"><div dir=3D"auto">Just recently I worked w= ith a team that achieved 100% line coverage with a single gigantic, meaning= less test method. It was awesome!</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div = dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 22:48 Mike Bowler <= ;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferr= er" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div>= <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><blockquote type=3D"cite">= <div dir=3D"ltr">Yep. TDD is a holly grail. Just having a policy not to che= ck in any code without 100% unit test coverage does wonders to quality.</di= v></blockquote><div><br></div>I can=E2=80=99t tell if you meant that as sar= casm. I=E2=80=99ve seen that policy put in place and the =E2=80=9Cquality= =E2=80=9D that results. I expect many of us here have seen that disaster.<= br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:= after-white-space"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-whit= e-space"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><= div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div style= =3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div style=3D"word-= wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break= -word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><span style=3D"background-color:rg= ba(255,255,255,0)">Mike Bowler</span></div><span style=3D"background-color:= rgba(255,255,255,0)">Agile & Technical, Coach and Trainer</span><div><s= pan style=3D"background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Cell:=C2=A0<a href=3D"te= l:905%20409-7052" dir=3D"ltr" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" targ= et=3D"_blank">905 409-7052</a></span></div><font color=3D"#000000"><span st= yle=3D"background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><a href=3D"http://www.gargoyle= software.com/mike_bowler" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target= =3D"_blank">www.GargoyleSoftware.com/mike_bowler</a><br><a href=3D"http://= www.unconsciousagile.com/" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target= =3D"_blank">www.UnconsciousAgile.com</a></span></font></div><div style=3D"= word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><span style=3D"backgroun= d-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span><div><span style=3D"background-colo= r:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Ask about our=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.gargoylesof= tware.com/training/csd" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"= _blank">Certified Scrum Developer (CSD) training classes</a>. In-house and = public classes available.</span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><= /div></div></div></div> </blockquote></div> </div></blockquote> <div style=3D"white-space:normal"><blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px sol= id #777;color:#777;margin:0 0 5px;padding-left:5px"> </blockquote></div> </div> </div> </blockquote></div> </p></p></blockquote></div> </div></blockquote> <div style=3D"white-space:normal"><blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px sol= id #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px"> </blockquote></div> </div> </body> </html> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> <hr> Groups.io Links:<p> You receive all messages sent to this group. <p> <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/messag= e/160429">View/Reply Online (#160429)</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject= = =3DRe:%20Re%3A%20%5Bextremeprogramming%5D%20What%20has%20changed%20for%20y= ou%20over%20the%20past%2020%20years%3F">Reply To Group</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3DP= rivate:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bextremeprogramming%5D%20What%20has%20changed%20f= or%20you%20over%20the%20past%2020%20years%3F">Reply To Sender</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/mt/39418691/2417047">Mu= te This Topic</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/post">New Topic</a><br= > <br> <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/editsub/2417047">Your Su= bscription</a> | <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">Contact Group Owner<= /a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/leave/4902963/619838065/= xyzzy">Unsubscribe</a> [[email protected]]<br> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> --=_MailMate_3463AC98-DDCF-41AF-8405-C020E9CE2E08_=--