Re: [extremeprogramming] What has changed for you over the past 20 years?
"James Grenning" <[email protected]> Thu, 05 Dec 2019 09:19:50 -0500
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--=_MailMate_1A1B796C-3BD8-4C49-9D62-D90B5982F0AC_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Likewise On 5 Dec 2019, at 8:19, Ron Jeffries wrote: > FWIW I [almost] never debug. In most languages I don't even know how > to run the debugger. Once in a while, rarely, I'll stuff in a print. > Generally, I just write a test that fails. > >> On Dec 5, 2019, at 8:11 AM, Phil Goodwin <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Right. There's a step zero involving good old fashioned debugging to >> find the root cause, but then it makes sense to test drive the >> solution for all the trains it makes sense to TDD in the first place. > > > Ron Jeffries > ronjeffries.com <http://ronjeffries.com/> > Whenever I feel discouraged, I remember the words of my then-3 yr old > after she puked carrots on the floor: “I’m gonna need more > carrots.” > — @JessicaValenti > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#160430): https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/message/160430 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/39418691/2417047 Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/leave/4902963/619838065/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --=_MailMate_1A1B796C-3BD8-4C49-9D62-D90B5982F0AC_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE html> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/xhtml; charset=3Dutf-8"> </head> <body> <div style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><div style=3D"white-space:normal"><p= dir=3D"auto">Likewise</p> <br><p dir=3D"auto">On 5 Dec 2019, at 8:19, Ron Jeffries wrote:</p> </div> <blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5p= x; padding-left:5px"><div id=3D"D89781D1-CA24-41E4-BDD3-3D62AFB3BA61"><div = style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after= -white-space;" class=3D"">FWIW I [almost] never debug. In most languages I = don't even know how to run the debugger. Once in a while, rarely, I'll stuf= f in a print. Generally, I just write a test that fails.<br class=3D""><div= ><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Dec= 5, 2019, at 8:11 AM, Phil Goodwin <<a href=3D"mailto:phil.goodwin@gmail= .com" class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br class=3D"Ap= ple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0,= 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-var= iant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align:= start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-s= pacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: = none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Right. There's a step zero in= volving good old fashioned debugging to find the root cause, but then it ma= kes sense to test drive the solution for all the trains it makes sense to T= DD in the first place.</span></div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""><div c= lass=3D""> <div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: nor= mal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-= wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white= -space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; = font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight= : normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-in= dent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-sp= acing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""></div><br class=3D"= ">Ron Jeffries<br class=3D""><a href=3D"http://ronjeffries.com" class=3D"">= ronjeffries.com</a><br class=3D"">Whenever I feel discouraged, I remem= ber the words of my then-3 yr old after she puked carrots on the = floor: =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99m gonna need more carrots.=E2=80=9D<br class= = =3D"">=E2=80=94 @JessicaValenti</div> </div> <br class=3D""></div></html> </div></blockquote> <div style=3D"white-space:normal"><blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px sol= id #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px"> </blockquote></div> </div> </body> </html> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> <hr> Groups.io Links:<p> You receive all messages sent to this group. <p> <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/messag= e/160430">View/Reply Online (#160430)</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject= = =3DRe:%20Re%3A%20%5Bextremeprogramming%5D%20What%20has%20changed%20for%20y= ou%20over%20the%20past%2020%20years%3F">Reply To Group</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3DP= rivate:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bextremeprogramming%5D%20What%20has%20changed%20f= or%20you%20over%20the%20past%2020%20years%3F">Reply To Sender</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/mt/39418691/2417047">Mu= te This Topic</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/post">New Topic</a><br= > <br> <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/editsub/2417047">Your Su= bscription</a> | <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">Contact Group Owner<= /a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/leave/4902963/619838065/= xyzzy">Unsubscribe</a> [[email protected]]<br> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> --=_MailMate_1A1B796C-3BD8-4C49-9D62-D90B5982F0AC_=--