Re: [extremeprogramming] What has changed for you over the past 20 years?
"Eb Alson" <[email protected]> Fri, 6 Dec 2019 10:01:34 -0500
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--000000000000072d2805990a533d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Under what circumstances should a leader impose any of these practices? On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 9:58 AM R Dymond <[email protected]> wrote: > CNCF is really impressive. That growth! It is underwritten by linux > foundation and google. > > I was discussing TDD with a leader in a software company that just closed > a $40M round and expects to grow from 19 to 40 teams. He said they have > some teams who do TDD and pairing all the time, some who do it only on > harder stuff and some who do not. They have some former thoughtworks alumni > and many junior staff, and given the difficulty of recruiting senior staff > in their location they expect many of their new hires to be 0 to 3 years of > experience. > > He has had the experience of being in company where they mandated TDD and > pairing, then had some people leave and other people who wanted to work > that way join. > > So it is a puzzle to him as well. He doesn't feel he can mandate it at > this point, and also he would prefer pull to push. > > Robin Dymond, CST > Managing Partner, Innovel > www.innovel.net > www.scrumtraining.com > Direct: (804) 239-4329 > twitter: @robindymond > Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robindymond > > On Fri, Dec 6, 2019, 7:13 AM Ron Jeffries <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi ... >> >> sent from iPad, probably via Mars. Errors, if any, are not mine. >> [email protected] is a better address for me, maybe. >> >> > On Dec 5, 2019, at 4:36 PM, Slava Imeshev via Groups.Io <imeshev= >> [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > There may be many more ways to accomplish this without doing it Scrum >> way. Just a few initial ideas: >> > >> > 1. Textbooks combined with guided self-study. >> > 2. Udemy/Cousera/Youtube video courses. >> > 3. Reference cards to be given to new hires ("This is how we do it >> here"). >> > 4. Continuous stream of talks at conferences and meetups. >> > 5. Magazine articles. >> > 6. Study groups. >> > 5. A mobile app with references. >> > >> > What else? >> >> Yes I think there are ways like that, and they are needed. I believe that >> the price has to be low enough that developers themselves will pay it if >> need be. This makes me think that, in early days at least, until volumes >> come up -- if they do -- the creation of these things needs to be >> underweritten. >> >> R >> >> >> >> > > -- blog: http://eikonne.wordpress.com LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/ebenezer-ikonne twitter: @eikonne -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#160450): https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/message/160450 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/39418691/2417047 Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/leave/4902963/619838065/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --000000000000072d2805990a533d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div><div dir=3D"auto">Under what circumstances should a leader impose any = of these practices?</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir= = =3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 9:58 AM R Dymond <= <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<b= r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border= -left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">CNCF is really imp= ressive. That growth! It is underwritten by linux foundation and google.<di= v dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I was discussing TDD with a lead= er in a software company that just closed a $40M round and expects to grow = from 19 to 40 teams. He said they have some teams who do TDD and pairing al= l the time, some who do it only on harder stuff and some who do not. They h= ave some former thoughtworks alumni and many junior staff, and given the di= fficulty of recruiting senior staff in their location they expect many of t= heir new hires to be 0 to 3 years of experience.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br= ></div><div dir=3D"auto">He has had the experience of being in company wher= e they mandated TDD and pairing, then had some people leave and other peopl= e who wanted to work that way join.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d= ir=3D"auto">So it is a puzzle to him as well. He doesn't feel he can ma= ndate it at this=C2=A0point, and also he would prefer pull to push.<br><br>= <div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature" dir=3D"auto">Robin Dymond, CST<br>M= anaging Partner, Innovel<br><a href=3D"http://www.innovel.net" target=3D"_b= lank">www.innovel.net</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.scrumtraining.com" targe= t=3D"_blank">www.scrumtraining.com</a><br>Direct: (804) 239-4329<br>twitter= : @robindymond<br>Linkedin:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob= indymond" target=3D"_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/robindymond</a></di= v></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai= l_attr">On Fri, Dec 6, 2019, 7:13 AM Ron Jeffries <<a href=3D"mailto:ron= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> w= rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex= ;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi ...<br> <br> sent from iPad, probably via Mars. Errors, if any, are not mine.<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank= ">[email protected]</a> is a better address for me, maybe.<br> <br> > On Dec 5, 2019, at 4:36 PM, Slava Imeshev via Groups.Io <imeshev= =3D<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_bl= ank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br> > <br> > There may be many more ways to accomplish this without doing it Scrum= way. Just a few initial ideas:<br> > <br> > 1. Textbooks combined with guided self-study.<br> > 2. Udemy/Cousera/Youtube video courses.<br> > 3. Reference cards to be given to new hires ("This is how we do = it here").<br> > 4. Continuous stream of talks at conferences and meetups.<br> > 5. Magazine articles.<br> > 6. Study groups.<br> > 5. A mobile app with references.<br> > <br> > What else?<br> <br> Yes I think there are ways like that, and they are needed. I believe that = the price has to be low enough that developers themselves will pay it if ne= ed be. This makes me think that, in early days at least, until volumes come= up -- if they do -- the creation of these things needs to be underweritten= .<br> <br> R<br> <br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div> <p></p><p></p></blockquote></div></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm= ail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><di= v>blog: <a href=3D"http://eikonne.wordpress.com/" rel=3D"me nofollow" targe= t=3D"_blank">http://eikonne.wordpress.com</a></div><div>LinkedIn: <a href= =3D"http://linkedin.com/in/ebenezer-ikonne" target=3D"_blank">http://linke= din.com/in/ebenezer-ikonne</a></div> <div>twitter: @eikonne</div></div></div></div> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> <hr> Groups.io Links:<p> You receive all messages sent to this group. <p> <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/messag= e/160450">View/Reply Online (#160450)</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject= = =3DRe:%20Re%3A%20%5Bextremeprogramming%5D%20What%20has%20changed%20for%20y= ou%20over%20the%20past%2020%20years%3F">Reply To Group</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3DPriva= te:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bextremeprogramming%5D%20What%20has%20changed%20for%2= 0you%20over%20the%20past%2020%20years%3F">Reply To Sender</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/mt/39418691/2417047">Mu= te This Topic</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/post">New Topic</a><br= > <br> <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/editsub/2417047">Your Su= bscription</a> | <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">Contact Group Owner<= /a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/leave/4902963/619838065/= xyzzy">Unsubscribe</a> [[email protected]]<br> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> --000000000000072d2805990a533d--