Re: [extremeprogramming] What has changed for you over the past 20 years?

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By standards, I mean things like quality, bug rates, customer
satisfaction.  I DO NOT mean how the work is done.

It is best that the teams learn for themselves (with help, perhaps) what
engineering practices they need to do in their context to achieve those
standards, because then they are responsible for quality, not just blindly
doing things the way they are told.  When problems, come up, they can see
that slacking on what they themselves decided they should do was
responsible.  If they are just doing what they are told, then whoever is
telling them what to do is ultimately responsible, so learning and
improvement peters out really quickly.

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 10:04 AM Eb Alson <[email protected]> wrote:

> Imposing at the right altitude is critical then because =E2=80=9CUsing X=
P or doing
> TDD=E2=80=9C can also be the goal/standard  that a CTO sets.
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> On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 11:18 AM Steve Gordon <[email protected]> wrot=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">By standards, I mean things like quality, bug rates, custo=
mer satisfaction.=C2=A0 I DO NOT mean how the work is done.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div=
><br></div><div>It is best that the teams learn for themselves (with help, =
perhaps) what engineering practices they need to do in their context to ach=
ieve those standards, because then they are responsible=C2=A0for quality, n=
ot just blindly doing things the way they are told.=C2=A0 When=C2=A0problem=
s, come up, they can see that slacking on what they themselves decided they=
 should do was responsible.=C2=A0 If they are just doing what they are told=
, then whoever is telling them what to do is ultimately responsible, so lea=
rning and improvement peters out really quickly.</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 6, 2019=
 at 10:04 AM Eb Alson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">amaeze@gmail.=
com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e=
x"><div><div dir=3D"auto">Imposing at the right altitude is critical then b=
ecause =E2=80=9CUsing XP or doing TDD=E2=80=9C can also be the goal/standar=
d =C2=A0that a CTO sets.</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 11:18 AM Steve Go=
rdon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">sgordonp=
[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Right.=C2=A0 Impose standards and goals, not h=
ow to achieve them.=C2=A0 And then offer support, including helping teams l=
earn how to achieve those standards and goals.</div><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"><br></div></div><p></p><p></p><p>=
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