Re: [extremeprogramming] Practicing XP gathering
"Bryan Beecham" <[email protected]> Tue, 17 Dec 2019 10:17:04 -0500
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--000000000000c1067f0599e7d2e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd go to Detroit for such an event depending on the date. On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 9:40 AM Jeff Morgan <[email protected]> wrote: > If it=E2=80=99s on a weekend, I might be tempted to ride the train over = from > Toronto. > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 08:36 Chet Hendrickson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Might even get Ron to show up >> Chet Hendrickson >> [email protected] >> Tel 248.345.7258 >> http://www.hendricksonxp.com >> >> On Dec 17, 2019, at 1:54 AM, John Welty <[email protected]> wrot= e: >> >> I could drive to Detroit if need be. I'm in eastern Iowa. >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on >> behalf of Steve Ropa via Groups.Io <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Monday, December 16, 2019 10:55:08 PM >> *To:* [email protected] <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [extremeprogramming] Practicing XP gathering >> >> You know, there=E2=80=99s a bunch of us XP=E2=80=99ers up in Detroit th= ese days too, I >> can ask around about that. >> >> >> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for >> Windows 10 >> >> >> *From: *George Paci <[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Monday, December 16, 2019 4:57 PM >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Subject: *Re: [extremeprogramming] Practicing XP gathering >> >> >> From the replies, it looks like we can do this in three locations: >> >> >> * Washington, DC >> >> >> * London >> >> >> * Lisbon >> >> >> While it would be cool to try to do them all on the same day and >> videoconference or something, it might make more sense to run one, then >> incorporate lessons learned into the others. >> >> >> I suggest discussing the format in this thread, and scheduling for >> individual locations in their own threads. >> >> >> ** Format: >> >> >> Todd brought up Open Space, and I think at least part of the day should >> have that kind of participant-directedness. >> >> >> Todd also mentioned that he has some interactive workshops, which is th= e >> kind of thing I was thinking of. In particular, I would like most of >> the time to either be hands-on (coding, integrating, deploying, etc.) o= r >> reflecting directly on what we learned from hands-on activity or how we >> can improve it. >> >> >> I also want us to share our Best Tricks (either coding, or coaching, or >> otherwise). >> >> >> ** Programming content: >> >> >> Steve mentioned The Dude's Code Jams, and giving something to the >> community. My present company has a couple existing projects for >> not-for-profits that might benefit from contributors; I'll ask about >> that. Bob Payne is local to DC, and I know he's connected to some >> not-for-profit projects, as is George[1]. >> >> >> If we're thinking about the programming or XP community, I don't think >> there's any dearth of ideas for smallish applications that would improv= e >> things. (Maybe that deserves a thread of its own?) >> >> >> ** Schedule: >> >> >> This will depend on the location, so I'll start a new thread for DC. >> Feel free to start threads for your location. >> >> >> =E2=80=94George >> >> >> On 12/5/19 3:22 PM, George Paci wrote: >> >> >> > Who would be interested in physically getting together for a >> > substantial period of time (8 hours or a few days) to just plain >> > practice the way we do XP (and related things) today? At the end, we >> > could make a list of things we saw that aren't common knowledge, and >> > briefly explain them. >> > >> > The code could be one or more (probably Open Source) projects that we >> > bring. Each project could be in a different language; part of what w= e >> > need to know is how to deal with languages and systems we don't >> > understand yet. >> > >> > This is just a vague idea at the moment, but for what it's worth, I >> > can provide space for a couple dozen people to code (in a sunny, >> > climate-controlled room) near Washington, DC. >> > >> > =E2=80=94George >> > >> > "I used to think that the brain was the most important organ in >> > body. Then I realized who was telling me this..." - Emo Phillips >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>=20 > > --=20 Bryan Beecham Iceberg Ideas Inc Learn about TDD, Refactoring and Pair Programming http://bit.ly/1A8dZrg -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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I'm in eastern Iowa.<span>=C2=A0</span></div><hr style=3D"f= ont-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:nor= mal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0= px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:= none;display:inline-block;width:855.531px"><span style=3D"font-family:Helve= tica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:= normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transfor= m:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;= display:inline"></span><div id=3D"gmail-m_-6352098757286465280m_77533729296= 23015484divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size= :12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-= spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s= pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><font face=3D"Calibri, s= ans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b><span>=C2=A0</span><a href= =3D"mailto:[email protected]" style=3D"color:blue;text-decorati= on:underline" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><span>=C2= =A0</span><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" style=3D"col= or:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank">extremeprogramming@gro= ups.io</a>> on behalf of Steve Ropa via Groups.Io <<a href=3D"mailto:= [email protected]" style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underl= ine" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>><br><b>Sent:<= /b><span>=C2=A0</span>Monday, December 16, 2019 10:55:08 PM<br><b>To:</b><s= pan>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" style=3D"c= olor:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank">extremeprogramming@g= roups.io</a><span>=C2=A0</span><<a href=3D"mailto:extremeprogramming@gro= ups.io" style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank">ex= [email protected]</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>Re:= [extremeprogramming] Practicing XP gathering</font><div>=C2=A0</div></div>= <div lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-styl= e:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;= text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;wor= d-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.000= 1pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">You know, there=E2=80=99= s a bunch of us XP=E2=80=99ers up in Detroit these days too, I can ask arou= nd about that.</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font= -family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt= ;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Sent from<span>=C2=A0</span= ><a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986" style=3D"colo= r:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank">Mail</a><span>=C2=A0</s= pan>for Windows 10</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;= font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"border-style:solid = none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);padding:3p= t 0in 0in"><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family= :Calibri,sans-serif;border:none;padding:0in"><b>From:<span>=C2=A0</span></b= ><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:unde= rline" target=3D"_blank">George Paci</a><br><b>Sent:<span>=C2=A0</span></b>= Monday, December 16, 2019 4:57 PM<br><b>To:<span>=C2=A0</span></b><a href= =3D"mailto:[email protected]" style=3D"color:blue;text-decorati= on:underline" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br><b>Subj= ect:<span>=C2=A0</span></b>Re: [extremeprogramming] Practicing XP gathering= </div></div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:= Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-si= ze:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From the replies, it looks like we = can do this in three locations:</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;fo= nt-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin= :0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0 * W= ashington, DC</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-= family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;= font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0 * London</div><p styl= e=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"= >=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family= :Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0 * Lisbon</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001= pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"m= argin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">While= it would be cool to try to do them all on the same day and</div><div style= = =3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"= >videoconference or something, it might make more sense to run one, then</d= iv><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri= ,sans-serif">incorporate lessons learned into the others.</div><p style=3D"= margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2= =A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Ca= libri,sans-serif">I suggest discussing the format in this thread, and sched= uling for</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-fa= mily:Calibri,sans-serif">individual locations in their own threads.</div><p= style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-s= erif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-f= amily:Calibri,sans-serif">** Format:</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001= pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"m= argin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Todd = brought up Open Space, and I think at least part of the day should</div><di= v style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-= serif">have that kind of participant-directedness.</div><p style=3D"margin:= 0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><= div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,san= s-serif">Todd also mentioned that he has some interactive workshops, which = is the</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-famil= y:Calibri,sans-serif">kind of thing I was thinking of.=C2=A0 In particular,= I would like most of</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:= 11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">the time to either be hands-on (coding= , integrating, deploying, etc.) or</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001= pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">reflecting directly on wh= at we learned from hands-on activity or how we</div><div style=3D"margin:0i= n 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">can improve i= t.</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Cali= bri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:1= 1pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I also want us to share our Best Tricks= (either coding, or coaching, or</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt= ;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">otherwise).</div><p style= =3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"= >=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family= :Calibri,sans-serif">** Programming content:</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0i= n 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div st= yle=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-seri= f">Steve mentioned The Dude's Code Jams, and giving something to the</d= iv><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri= ,sans-serif">community. My present company has a couple existing projects f= or</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Ca= libri,sans-serif">not-for-profits that might benefit from contributors; I&#= 39;ll ask about</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;f= ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif">that.=C2=A0 Bob Payne is local to DC, and I = know he's connected to some</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;= font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">not-for-profit projects, as = is George[1].</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-= family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;= font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">If we're thinking about = the programming or XP community, I don't think</div><div style=3D"margi= n:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">there'= ;s any dearth of ideas for smallish applications that would improve</div><d= iv style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans= -serif">things. (Maybe that deserves a thread of its own?)</div><p style=3D= "margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2= = =A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Ca= libri,sans-serif">** Schedule:</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;fon= t-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:= 0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">This will d= epend on the location, so I'll start a new thread for DC.</div><div sty= le=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif= ">Feel free to start threads for your location.</div><p style=3D"margin:0in= 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div= style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-s= erif">=E2=80=94George</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11= pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0= .0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">On 12/5/19 3:22 PM, = George Paci wrote:</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;= font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.00= 01pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> Who would be inter= ested in physically getting together for a</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0i= n 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> substantial = period of time (8 hours or a few days) to just plain</div><div style=3D"mar= gin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> pr= actice the way we do XP (and related things) today?=C2=A0 At the end, we</d= iv><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri= ,sans-serif">> could make a list of things we saw that aren't common= knowledge, and</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;f= ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> briefly explain them.</div><div style= =3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"= >>=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-= family:Calibri,sans-serif">> The code could be one or more (probably Ope= n Source) projects that we</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-= size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> bring.=C2=A0 Each project co= uld be in a different language; part of what we</div><div style=3D"margin:0= in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> need to= know is how to deal with languages and systems we don't</div><div styl= e=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"= >> understand yet.</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:= 11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"margin:0= in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> This is= just a vague idea at the moment, but for what it's worth, I</div><div = style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-se= rif">> can provide space for a couple dozen people to code (in a sunny,<= /div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calib= ri,sans-serif">> climate-controlled room) near Washington, DC.</div><div= style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-s= erif">>=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;= font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> =E2=80=94George</div><div style=3D"mar= gin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>=C2= = =A0</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:= Calibri,sans-serif">> "I used to think that the brain was the most = important organ in</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11p= t;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> body.=C2=A0 Then I realized who was = telling me this..." - Emo Phillips</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0= .0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>=C2=A0</div><div= style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-s= erif">>=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;= font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.00= 01pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>=C2=A0</div><p styl= e=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"= >=C2=A0</p><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:C= alibri,sans-serif"></p><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;f= ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001p= t;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p></div></div></di= v></blockquote></div><br></div><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;"></= div> <p></p><p></p></blockquote></div></div> <p></p><p></p></blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D= "ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bryan Beecham<div>Iceberg= Ideas Inc</div><div><br></div><div>Learn about TDD, Refactoring and Pair P= rogramming</div><div><a href=3D"http://bit.ly/1A8dZrg" target=3D"_blank">ht= tp://bit.ly/1A8dZrg</a></div> </div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> <hr> Groups.io Links:<p> You receive all messages sent to this group. <p> <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/messag= e/160510">View/Reply Online (#160510)</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject= = =3DRe:%20Re%3A%20%5Bextremeprogramming%5D%20Practicing%20XP%20gathering">R= eply To Group</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject= =3DPrivate:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bextremeprogramming%5D%20Practicing%20XP%20g= athering">Reply To Sender</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/mt/67202106/2417047">Mu= te This Topic</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/post">New Topic</a><br= > <br> <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/editsub/2417047">Your Su= bscription</a> | <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">Contact Group Owner<= /a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/leave/4902963/619838065/= xyzzy">Unsubscribe</a> [[email protected]]<br> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> --000000000000c1067f0599e7d2e1--