Re: [extremeprogramming] Practicing XP gathering
"Jeff Morgan" <[email protected]> Tue, 17 Dec 2019 09:40:18 -0500
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--0000000000003b30ac0599e74faf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If it=E2=80=99s on a weekend, I might be tempted to ride the train over fro= m Toronto. On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 08:36 Chet Hendrickson <[email protected]> wrote: > Might even get Ron to show up > Chet Hendrickson > [email protected] > Tel 248.345.7258 > http://www.hendricksonxp.com > > On Dec 17, 2019, at 1:54 AM, John Welty <[email protected]> wrote= : > > I could drive to Detroit if need be. I'm in eastern Iowa. > ------------------------------ > *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on > behalf of Steve Ropa via Groups.Io <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Monday, December 16, 2019 10:55:08 PM > *To:* [email protected] <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [extremeprogramming] Practicing XP gathering > > You know, there=E2=80=99s a bunch of us XP=E2=80=99ers up in Detroit the= se days too, I can > ask around about that. > > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for > Windows 10 > > > *From: *George Paci <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Monday, December 16, 2019 4:57 PM > *To: *[email protected] > *Subject: *Re: [extremeprogramming] Practicing XP gathering > > > From the replies, it looks like we can do this in three locations: > > > * Washington, DC > > > * London > > > * Lisbon > > > While it would be cool to try to do them all on the same day and > videoconference or something, it might make more sense to run one, then > incorporate lessons learned into the others. > > > I suggest discussing the format in this thread, and scheduling for > individual locations in their own threads. > > > ** Format: > > > Todd brought up Open Space, and I think at least part of the day should > have that kind of participant-directedness. > > > Todd also mentioned that he has some interactive workshops, which is the > kind of thing I was thinking of. In particular, I would like most of > the time to either be hands-on (coding, integrating, deploying, etc.) or > reflecting directly on what we learned from hands-on activity or how we > can improve it. > > > I also want us to share our Best Tricks (either coding, or coaching, or > otherwise). > > > ** Programming content: > > > Steve mentioned The Dude's Code Jams, and giving something to the > community. My present company has a couple existing projects for > not-for-profits that might benefit from contributors; I'll ask about > that. Bob Payne is local to DC, and I know he's connected to some > not-for-profit projects, as is George[1]. > > > If we're thinking about the programming or XP community, I don't think > there's any dearth of ideas for smallish applications that would improve > things. (Maybe that deserves a thread of its own?) > > > ** Schedule: > > > This will depend on the location, so I'll start a new thread for DC. > Feel free to start threads for your location. > > > =E2=80=94George > > > On 12/5/19 3:22 PM, George Paci wrote: > > > > Who would be interested in physically getting together for a > > substantial period of time (8 hours or a few days) to just plain > > practice the way we do XP (and related things) today? At the end, we > > could make a list of things we saw that aren't common knowledge, and > > briefly explain them. > > > > The code could be one or more (probably Open Source) projects that we > > bring. Each project could be in a different language; part of what we > > need to know is how to deal with languages and systems we don't > > understand yet. > > > > This is just a vague idea at the moment, but for what it's worth, I > > can provide space for a couple dozen people to code (in a sunny, > > climate-controlled room) near Washington, DC. > > > > =E2=80=94George > > > > "I used to think that the brain was the most important organ in > > body. Then I realized who was telling me this..." - Emo Phillips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#160509): https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/messag= e/160509 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/67202106/2417047 Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/leave/4902963/61983806= 5/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- --0000000000003b30ac0599e74faf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div><div dir=3D"auto">If it=E2=80=99s on a weekend, I might be tempted to = ride the train over from Toronto.=C2=A0</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"g= mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 0= 8:36 Chet Hendrickson <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">lists@= hendricksonxp.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"= style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><d= iv style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Might even g= et Ron to show up<br><div> <div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;fon= t-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:norma= l;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:n= ormal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><div><table border=3D"0" cells= pacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" width=3D"500" height=3D"78" style=3D"margin:= 0px;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234)"><tbody><tr style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)= ;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:no= rmal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:= 0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><td width=3D"1= 45" valign=3D"middle" align=3D"center"><img src=3D"http://www.hendricksonxp= .com/images/132329_logo_final.jpg" border=3D"0" width=3D"102"></td><td rows= pan=3D"2" width=3D"160" height=3D"78" valign=3D"middle"><div style=3D"font-= family:verdana;font-size:9px"><div id=3D"m_7753372929623015484clientNameToR= eplace">Chet Hendrickson</div><div id=3D"m_7753372929623015484titleToReplac= e"></div><div id=3D"m_7753372929623015484emailToReplace"><a href=3D"mailto:= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a></div><= /div></td><td rowspan=3D"2" width=3D"160" height=3D"78" valign=3D"middle" a= lign=3D"right"><div style=3D"font-family:verdana;font-size:9px"><div id=3D"= m_7753372929623015484phoneToReplace">Tel 248.345.7258</div><div id=3D"m_775= 3372929623015484faxToReplace"></div><div id=3D"m_7753372929623015484webAddr= essToReplace"><a href=3D"http://www.hendricksonxp.com" target=3D"_blank">ht= tp://www.hendricksonxp.com</a></div></div></td></tr><tr style=3D"color:rgb(= 0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-wei= ght:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-i= ndent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"> </tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break= -word;line-break:after-white-space"> <div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Dec 17, 2019, at 1:54 AM, John = Welty <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">joh= [email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"auto" style= =3D"font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-s= pacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-sp= ace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;direction:ltr;margin:0px;p= adding:0px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt">I could drive to Detroit = if need be. I'm in eastern Iowa.<span>=C2=A0</span></div><hr style=3D"f= ont-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:nor= mal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0= px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:= none;display:inline-block;width:855.53125px"><span style=3D"font-family:Hel= vetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weigh= t:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transf= orm:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:non= e;display:inline!important"></span><div id=3D"m_7753372929623015484divRplyF= wdMsg" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style= :normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;t= ext-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word= -spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" style= = =3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b><span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:extre= [email protected]" style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline" tar= get=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><span>=C2=A0</span><<a hr= ef=3D"mailto:[email protected]" style=3D"color:blue;text-decorat= ion:underline" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> on be= half of Steve Ropa via Groups.Io <<a href=3D"mailto:steveropa=3Dgmail.co= [email protected]" style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blan= k">[email protected]</a>><br><b>Sent:</b><span>=C2=A0</spa= n>Monday, December 16, 2019 10:55:08 PM<br><b>To:</b><span>=C2=A0</span><a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" style=3D"color:blue;text-decor= ation:underline" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><span>= =C2=A0</span><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" style=3D"= color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank">extremeprogramming@= groups.io</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>Re: [extremeprogramm= ing] Practicing XP gathering</font><div>=C2=A0</div></div><div lang=3D"EN-U= S" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"#954F72" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size= :12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-= spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s= pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div><div style=3D"margi= n:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">You know,= there=E2=80=99s a bunch of us XP=E2=80=99ers up in Detroit these days too,= I can ask around about that.</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font= -size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0= in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Sent from<sp= an>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986= " style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank">Mail</a>= <span>=C2=A0</span>for Windows 10</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;= font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"bord= er-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,= 225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:1= 1pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;border:none;padding:0in"><b>From:<span>= =C2=A0</span></b><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" style=3D"color:blue;tex= t-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank">George Paci</a><br><b>Sent:<span>= = =C2=A0</span></b>Monday, December 16, 2019 4:57 PM<br><b>To:<span>=C2=A0</= span></b><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" style=3D"color:blu= e;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]= </a><br><b>Subject:<span>=C2=A0</span></b>Re: [extremeprogramming] Practici= ng XP gathering</div></div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11= pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0= .0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From the replies, it= looks like we can do this in three locations:</div><p style=3D"margin:0in = 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div = style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-se= rif">=C2=A0 * Washington, DC</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-= size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0i= n 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0 * Lond= on</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Cali= bri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:1= 1pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0 * Lisbon</div><p style=3D"margin= :0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p>= <div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa= ns-serif">While it would be cool to try to do them all on the same day and<= /div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calib= ri,sans-serif">videoconference or something, it might make more sense to ru= n one, then</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-= family:Calibri,sans-serif">incorporate lessons learned into the others.</di= v><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa= ns-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;fo= nt-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I suggest discussing the format in this threa= d, and scheduling for</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:= 11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">individual locations in their own thre= ads.</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Ca= libri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size= :11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">** Format:</div><p style=3D"margin:0i= n 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><di= v style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-= serif">Todd brought up Open Space, and I think at least part of the day sho= uld</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:C= alibri,sans-serif">have that kind of participant-directedness.</div><p styl= e=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"= >=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family= :Calibri,sans-serif">Todd also mentioned that he has some interactive works= hops, which is the</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11p= t;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">kind of thing I was thinking of.=C2=A0 In= particular, I would like most of</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001p= t;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">the time to either be hand= s-on (coding, integrating, deploying, etc.) or</div><div style=3D"margin:0i= n 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">reflecting di= rectly on what we learned from hands-on activity or how we</div><div style= =3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"= >can improve it.</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;fo= nt-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001= pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I also want us to share o= ur Best Tricks (either coding, or coaching, or</div><div style=3D"margin:0i= n 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">otherwise).</= div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,= sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;= font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">** Programming content:</div><p style=3D"ma= rgin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0= </p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibr= i,sans-serif">Steve mentioned The Dude's Code Jams, and giving somethin= g to the</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-fam= ily:Calibri,sans-serif">community. My present company has a couple existing= projects for</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;fon= t-family:Calibri,sans-serif">not-for-profits that might benefit from contri= butors; I'll ask about</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-= size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">that.=C2=A0 Bob Payne is local to= DC, and I know he's connected to some</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0i= n 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">not-for-profit pr= ojects, as is George[1].</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size= :11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0i= n 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">If we're thin= king about the programming or XP community, I don't think</div><div sty= le=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif= ">there's any dearth of ideas for smallish applications that would impr= ove</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:C= alibri,sans-serif">things. (Maybe that deserves a thread of its own?)</div>= <p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans= -serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font= -family:Calibri,sans-serif">** Schedule:</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.= 0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style= =3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"= >This will depend on the location, so I'll start a new thread for DC.</= div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibr= i,sans-serif">Feel free to start threads for your location.</div><p style= =3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"= >=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family= :Calibri,sans-serif">=E2=80=94George</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001= pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"m= argin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">On 12= /5/19 3:22 PM, George Paci wrote:</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;= font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"marg= in:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> Who= would be interested in physically getting together for a</div><div style= =3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"= >> substantial period of time (8 hours or a few days) to just plain</div= ><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,s= ans-serif">> practice the way we do XP (and related things) today?=C2=A0= At the end, we</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;f= ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> could make a list of things we saw that= aren't common knowledge, and</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001p= t;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> briefly explain them.= </div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Cali= bri,sans-serif">>=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-= size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> The code could be one or mor= e (probably Open Source) projects that we</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in= 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> bring.=C2=A0 = Each project could be in a different language; part of what we</div><div st= yle=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-seri= f">> need to know is how to deal with languages and systems we don't= </div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Cali= bri,sans-serif">> understand yet.</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.00= 01pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>=C2=A0</div><div st= yle=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-seri= f">> This is just a vague idea at the moment, but for what it's wort= h, I</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:= Calibri,sans-serif">> can provide space for a couple dozen people to cod= e (in a sunny,</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;fo= nt-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> climate-controlled room) near Washington= , DC.</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family= :Calibri,sans-serif">>=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;= font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> =E2=80=94George</div><d= iv style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans= -serif">>=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11p= t;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> "I used to think that the brain= was the most important organ in</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt= ;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> body.=C2=A0 Then I rea= lized who was telling me this..." - Emo Phillips</div><div style=3D"ma= rgin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>= =C2=A0</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-fami= ly:Calibri,sans-serif">>=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001p= t;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">></div><div style=3D"ma= rgin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>= =C2=A0</div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family= :Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-siz= e:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></p><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.000= 1pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><p style=3D"ma= rgin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0= </p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div><div style=3D"word-wrap:= break-word;line-break:after-white-space"></div> <p></p><p></p></blockquote></div></div> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> <hr> Groups.io Links:<p> You receive all messages sent to this group. <p> <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/messag= e/160509">View/Reply Online (#160509)</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject= = =3DRe:%20Re%3A%20%5Bextremeprogramming%5D%20Practicing%20XP%20gathering">R= eply To Group</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3DPriva= te:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bextremeprogramming%5D%20Practicing%20XP%20gathering"= >Reply To Sender</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/mt/67202106/2417047">Mu= te This Topic</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/post">New Topic</a><br= > <br> <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/editsub/2417047">Your Su= bscription</a> | <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">Contact Group Owner<= /a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/leave/4902963/619838065/= xyzzy">Unsubscribe</a> [[email protected]]<br> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> --0000000000003b30ac0599e74faf--