Re: [extremeprogramming] What has changed for you over the past 20 years?

"John Welty" <[email protected]> Wed, 25 Dec 2019 11:05:55 +0000
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<<If they are just doing what they are told, then whoever is telling them w=
hat to do is ultimately responsible, so learning and improvement peters out=
 really quickly.>>

I've seen this with programmers and in other disciplines too. I have fough=
t hard against that attempted form of management on occasion. I have also l=
obbied somewhat unsuccessfully against it on behalf of others.

Many people want to feel part of the outcome. They want to see something a=
nd say, "That thing right there is better because of something I suggested =
or chose to do." not just, "I just did what I was told and anybody could've=
 done it if they obeyed."

I prefer that we reason together about the best way to achieve desired out=
comes. People who tell others what to do may just be doing that too. I noti=
ce a problem like that generally starts higher up the ladder.


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&lt;&lt;If they are just doing what they are told, then whoever is telling=
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<div style=3D"color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)=
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ght hard against that attempted form of management on occasion. I have also=
 lobbied somewhat unsuccessfully against
 it on behalf of others.</div>
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Many people want to feel<span style=3D"font-size: 1em;">&nbsp;part of the =
outcome. They want to see something and say, &quot;That thing right there i=
s better because of something I suggested or chose to do.&quot; not just, &=
quot;I just did what I was told and anybody could've done
 it if they obeyed.&quot;</span></div>
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I prefer that we reason together about the best way to achieve desired out=
comes. People who tell others what to do may just be doing that too. I noti=
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