Re: [extremeprogramming] Practicing XP gathering
"Jeff Langr" <[email protected]> Fri, 27 Dec 2019 15:06:27 -0700
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--------------A6E540A6017E5008550C6830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm up for a Detroit event. <http://langrsoft.com> Jeff Langr/ Langr Software Solutions, Inc. <https://twitter.com/jlangr> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jefflangr> <https://www.facebook.com/jeff.langr> http://langrsoft.com +1-719-287-4335 Pragmatic Unit Testing in Java <http://pragprog.com/book/utj2> Modern C++ Programming with TDD <http://pragprog.com/book/lotdd> Agile in a Flash <http://pragprog.com/book/olag> Agile Java: Crafting Code with Test-Driven Development <http://amzn.com/0131482394> Essential Java Style <http://amzn.com/0130850861> Bryan Beecham wrote on 12/17/19 8:17 AM: > I'd go to Detroit for such an event depending on the date. > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 9:40 AM Jeff Morgan <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > If it’s on a weekend, I might be tempted to ride the train over > from Toronto. > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 08:36 Chet Hendrickson > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Might even get Ron to show up > > Chet Hendrickson > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > Tel 248.345.7258 > http://www.hendricksonxp.com > > >> On Dec 17, 2019, at 1:54 AM, John Welty >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> >> I could drive to Detroit if need be. I'm in eastern Iowa. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:*[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]><[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Steve >> Ropa via Groups.Io <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> *Sent:*Monday, December 16, 2019 10:55:08 PM >> *To:*[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]><[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> *Subject:*Re: [extremeprogramming] Practicing XP gathering >> You know, there’s a bunch of us XP’ers up in Detroit these >> days too, I can ask around about that. >> >> Sent fromMail >> <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>for Windows 10 >> >> *From:*George Paci <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Sent:*Monday, December 16, 2019 4:57 PM >> *To:*[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject:*Re: [extremeprogramming] Practicing XP gathering >> >> From the replies, it looks like we can do this in three >> locations: >> >> * Washington, DC >> >> * London >> >> * Lisbon >> >> While it would be cool to try to do them all on the same day and >> videoconference or something, it might make more sense to run >> one, then >> incorporate lessons learned into the others. >> >> I suggest discussing the format in this thread, and >> scheduling for >> individual locations in their own threads. >> >> ** Format: >> >> Todd brought up Open Space, and I think at least part of the >> day should >> have that kind of participant-directedness. >> >> Todd also mentioned that he has some interactive workshops, >> which is the >> kind of thing I was thinking of. In particular, I would like >> most of >> the time to either be hands-on (coding, integrating, >> deploying, etc.) or >> reflecting directly on what we learned from hands-on activity >> or how we >> can improve it. >> >> I also want us to share our Best Tricks (either coding, or >> coaching, or >> otherwise). >> >> ** Programming content: >> >> Steve mentioned The Dude's Code Jams, and giving something to the >> community. My present company has a couple existing projects for >> not-for-profits that might benefit from contributors; I'll >> ask about >> that. Bob Payne is local to DC, and I know he's connected to >> some >> not-for-profit projects, as is George[1]. >> >> If we're thinking about the programming or XP community, I >> don't think >> there's any dearth of ideas for smallish applications that >> would improve >> things. (Maybe that deserves a thread of its own?) >> >> ** Schedule: >> >> This will depend on the location, so I'll start a new thread >> for DC. >> Feel free to start threads for your location. >> >> —George >> >> On 12/5/19 3:22 PM, George Paci wrote: >> >> > Who would be interested in physically getting together for a >> > substantial period of time (8 hours or a few days) to just >> plain >> > practice the way we do XP (and related things) today? At >> the end, we >> > could make a list of things we saw that aren't common >> knowledge, and >> > briefly explain them. >> > >> > The code could be one or more (probably Open Source) >> projects that we >> > bring. Each project could be in a different language; part >> of what we >> > need to know is how to deal with languages and systems we don't >> > understand yet. >> > >> > This is just a vague idea at the moment, but for what it's >> worth, I >> > can provide space for a couple dozen people to code (in a >> sunny, >> > climate-controlled room) near Washington, DC. >> > >> > —George >> > >> > "I used to think that the brain was the most important organ in >> > body. Then I realized who was telling me this..." - Emo >> Phillips >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > Bryan Beecham > Iceberg Ideas Inc > > Learn about TDD, Refactoring and Pair Programming > http://bit.ly/1A8dZrg > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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line-height:25px; font-weight:bold; padding-bottom:2px;"><span style="color: #b18e21; text-transform:uppercase;">Jeff Langr</span><span style="vertical-align: center; font-size: 105%"> / Langr Software Solutions, Inc. </span> <a href="https://twitter.com/jlangr" style=" padding-right: 5px;"><img alt="" src="http://langrsoft.com/2015/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/twitter-c.jpg" style="border-radius: 50%; border: solid 1px rgba(156, 164, 173, 0.52);" height="20" width="20"></a> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jefflangr" style=" padding-right: 5px;"><img alt="" src="http://langrsoft.com/2015/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/in-c.jpg" style="border-radius: 50%; border: solid 1px rgba(156, 164, 173, 0.52);" height="20" width="20"></a> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/jeff.langr" style="padding-right: 5px;"><img alt="" src="http://langrsoft.com/2015/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/fb.gif" style="border-radius: 50%; border: solid 1px rgba(156, 164, 173, 0.52);" height="20" width="20"></a> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;"><a href="http://langrsoft.com">http://langrsoft.com</a> <span style="padding-top: 8px">+1-719-287-4335</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="padding-top:2px; border-top:#b18e21 solid 1px;"> <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"> <tbody style="font-size: 95%;"> <tr><td><a href="http://pragprog.com/book/utj2">Pragmatic Unit Testing in Java</a></td></tr> <tr><td><a href="http://pragprog.com/book/lotdd">Modern C++ Programming with TDD</a></td></tr> <tr><td><a href="http://pragprog.com/book/olag">Agile in a Flash</a></td></tr> <tr><td><a href="http://amzn.com/0131482394">Agile Java: Crafting Code with Test-Driven Development</a></td></tr> <tr><td><a href="http://amzn.com/0130850861">Essential Java Style</a></td></tr> </tbody> </table> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <br> <br> <span>Bryan Beecham wrote on 12/17/19 8:17 AM:</span><br> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:CAFwe2PZ3nY3bWda23K9-HzgyXL_aiU=Xm6bTvN7oEyo62bkxNA@mail.gmail.com"> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <div dir="ltr">I'd go to Detroit for such an event depending on the date.</div> <br> <div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 9:40 AM Jeff Morgan <<a href="mailto:[email protected]" moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">If it’s on a weekend, I might be tempted to ride the train over from Toronto. </div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 08:36 Chet Hendrickson <<a href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Might even get Ron to show up<br><div> <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div><table style="margin:0px;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234)" height="78" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="500" border="0"><tbody><tr style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><td valign="middle" align="center" width="145"><img src="http://www.hendricksonxp.com/images/132329_logo_final.jpg" moz-do-not-send="true" width="102" border="0"></td><td rowspan="2" height="78" valign="middle" width="160"><div style="font-family:verdana;font-size:9px"><div id="gmail-m_-6352098757286465280m_7753372929623015484clientNameToReplace">Chet Hendrickson</div><div id="gmail-m_-6352098757286465280m_7753372929623015484emailToReplace"><a href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a></div></div></td><td rowspan="2" height="78" valign="middle" align="right" width="160"><div style="font-family:verdana;font-size:9px"><div id="gmail-m_-6352098757286465280m_7753372929623015484phoneToReplace">Tel 248.345.7258</div><div id="gmail-m_-6352098757286465280m_7753372929623015484webAddressToReplace"><a href="http://www.hendricksonxp.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.hendricksonxp.com</a></div></div></td></tr><tr style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"> </tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"> <div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Dec 17, 2019, at 1:54 AM, John Welty <<a href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="auto" style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;direction:ltr;margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt">I could drive to Detroit if need be. I'm in eastern Iowa.<span> </span></div><hr style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;display:inline-block;width:855.531px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline"></span><div id="gmail-m_-6352098757286465280m_7753372929623015484divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:[email protected]" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a><span> </span><<a href="mailto:[email protected]" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a>> on behalf of Steve Ropa via Groups.Io <<a href="mailto:[email protected]" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a>><br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Monday, December 16, 2019 10:55:08 PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:[email protected]" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a><span> </span><<a href="mailto:[email protected]" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [extremeprogramming] Practicing XP gathering</font><div> </div></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none" lang="EN-US"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">You know, there’s a bunch of us XP’ers up in Detroit these days too, I can ask around about that.</div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Sent from<span> </span><a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Mail</a><span> </span>for Windows 10</div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;border:none;padding:0in"><b>From:<span> </span></b><a href="mailto:[email protected]" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">George Paci</a><br><b>Sent:<span> </span></b>Monday, December 16, 2019 4:57 PM<br><b>To:<span> </span></b><a href="mailto:[email protected]" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a><br><b>Subject:<span> </span></b>Re: [extremeprogramming] Practicing XP gathering</div></div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From the replies, it looks like we can do this in three locations:</div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> * Washington, DC</div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> * London</div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> * Lisbon</div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">While it would be cool to try to do them all on the same day and</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">videoconference or something, it might make more sense to run one, then</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">incorporate lessons learned into the others.</div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I suggest discussing the format in this thread, and scheduling for</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">individual locations in their own threads.</div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">** Format:</div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Todd brought up Open Space, and I think at least part of the day should</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">have that kind of participant-directedness.</div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Todd also mentioned that he has some interactive workshops, which is the</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">kind of thing I was thinking of. In particular, I would like most of</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">the time to either be hands-on (coding, integrating, deploying, etc.) or</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">reflecting directly on what we learned from hands-on activity or how we</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">can improve it.</div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I also want us to share our Best Tricks (either coding, or coaching, or</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">otherwise).</div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">** Programming content:</div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Steve mentioned The Dude's Code Jams, and giving something to the</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">community. My present company has a couple existing projects for</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">not-for-profits that might benefit from contributors; I'll ask about</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">that. Bob Payne is local to DC, and I know he's connected to some</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">not-for-profit projects, as is George[1].</div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">If we're thinking about the programming or XP community, I don't think</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">there's any dearth of ideas for smallish applications that would improve</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">things. (Maybe that deserves a thread of its own?)</div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">** Schedule:</div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">This will depend on the location, so I'll start a new thread for DC.</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Feel free to start threads for your location.</div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">—George</div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">On 12/5/19 3:22 PM, George Paci wrote:</div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> Who would be interested in physically getting together for a</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> substantial period of time (8 hours or a few days) to just plain</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> practice the way we do XP (and related things) today? At the end, we</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> could make a list of things we saw that aren't common knowledge, and</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> briefly explain them.</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> </div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> The code could be one or more (probably Open Source) projects that we</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> bring. Each project could be in a different language; part of what we</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> need to know is how to deal with languages and systems we don't</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> understand yet.</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> </div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> This is just a vague idea at the moment, but for what it's worth, I</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> can provide space for a couple dozen people to code (in a sunny,</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> climate-controlled room) near Washington, DC.</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> </div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> —George</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> </div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> "I used to think that the brain was the most important organ in</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> body. Then I realized who was telling me this..." - Emo Phillips</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> </div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> </div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> </div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div> <br clear="all"> <div><br></div> -- <br> <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Bryan Beecham<div>Iceberg Ideas Inc</div><div><br></div><div>Learn about TDD, Refactoring and Pair Programming</div><div><a href="http://bit.ly/1A8dZrg" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://bit.ly/1A8dZrg</a></div> </div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div> </blockquote> <br> </body></html> <div width="1" style="color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> <hr> Groups.io Links:<p> You receive all messages sent to this group. <p> <a target="_blank" href="https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/message/160514">View/Reply Online (#160514)</a> | <a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bextremeprogramming%5D%20Practicing%20XP%20gathering">Reply To Group</a> | <a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bextremeprogramming%5D%20Practicing%20XP%20gathering">Reply To Sender</a> | <a target="_blank" href="https://groups.io/mt/67202106/2417047">Mute This Topic</a> | <a href="https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/post">New Topic</a><br> <br> <a href="https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/editsub/2417047">Your Subscription</a> | <a href="mailto:[email protected]">Contact Group Owner</a> | <a href="https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/leave/4902963/619838065/xyzzy">Unsubscribe</a> [[email protected]]<br> <div width="1" style="color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> --------------A6E540A6017E5008550C6830--