Re: What's up with C++ (books)?
Sriram Narayanan <[email protected]> Mon, 30 May 2011 19:45:49 +0530
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--ep7EDdQ3xeLlXit9VpW0TDRtnz2oiNNOuufjSUl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Kjell Rilbe <[email protected]> wrote= : > > Yes, obviously. There are always means to get things working despite > less than optimal tools, like various test and profiling tools. I've started to use DTrace and I find it and other Solaris tools (all of which are now available on opensolaris) to be rather awesome. > > And I agree that, unfortunately, there aren't that many alternatives for > e.g. multiplatform compilation. > > Still, I can't help but wonder what could have been achieved with the > same effort if something better than C++ had had the same availability > and popularity. > > That's what it boils down to, isn't it? How much work it is to get your > job done with sufficient quality? I haven't written production code yet with C++ (only with Java and Ruby so = far). I look at frameworks such as QT and environments such as KDE, and I feel that C++ may be the best choice. > > Kjell > -- > -------------------------------------- > Kjell Rilbe > DataDIA AB > E-post: [email protected] > Telefon: 08-761 06 55 > Mobil: 0733-44 24 64 > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Belenix: www.belenix.org --ep7EDdQ3xeLlXit9VpW0TDRtnz2oiNNOuufjSUl Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <body style="background-color: #fff;"> <span style="display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="position:relative;"> <div id="ygrp-msg" style="z-index: 1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-text" > <p>On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Kjell Rilbe <<a href="mailto:kjell.rilbe%40datadia.se">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> > Yes, obviously. There are always means to get things working despite<br> > less than optimal tools, like various test and profiling tools.<br> <br> I've started to use DTrace and I find it and other Solaris tools (all<br> of which are now available on opensolaris) to be rather awesome.<br> <br> ><br> > And I agree that, unfortunately, there aren't that many alternatives for<br> > e.g. multiplatform compilation.<br> ><br> > Still, I can't help but wonder what could have been achieved with the<br> > same effort if something better than C++ had had the same availability<br> > and popularity.<br> ><br> > That's what it boils down to, isn't it? How much work it is to get your<br> > job done with sufficient quality?<br> <br> I haven't written production code yet with C++ (only with Java and Ruby so far).<br> <br> I look at frameworks such as QT and environments such as KDE, and I<br> feel that C++ may be the best choice.<br> <br> ><br> > Kjell<br> > --<br> > --------------------------------------<br> > Kjell Rilbe<br> > DataDIA AB<br> > E-post: <a href="mailto:kjell%40datadia.se">[email protected]</a><br> > Telefon: 08-761 06 55<br> > Mobil: 0733-44 24 64<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > ------------------------------------<br> ><br> > Yahoo! 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