Re: L7 packet inspection

Surya ARBY <[email protected]> Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:02:58 +0000 (GMT)
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Hello all.

I'll jump into this discussion again to explain what is "L7 inspection" and=
 the associated products.


Multiprotocol DPI (Deep Packet Inspection) : this is what you find in your =
ACE, cisco ASA or any good network firewall. it works on multiple protocols=
 (FTP, SIP, DNS, RTSP, FTP...) and avoids protocol misuse and RFC complianc=
e.

Usually you can also filter requests/responses (for example with HTTP fixup=
 you can drop requests if the URL length is greater than n bytes, drop spec=
ific HTTP methods (options, trace, connect, post...), looking for specific =
patterns in the payload with regular expressions (if you want to drop reque=
sts with specific headers, just build a custom rule to match the string of =
character)...

This is "basic" L7 inspection and filtering but the strength is that it's u=
sually performed in hardware and it supports a lot of protocols (in ACE it'=
s performed by NPs and not the control plane I guess)


Then you have "application firewalls" (or Web App FW). These are dedicated =
features or appliances working only on HTTP(S) - and mainly on Web-based ap=
plications, this is not relevant to XML web services - to avoid most of "We=
b attacks".

What is usually implemented in these products are URL normalization, input =
validation (against XSS or injection flaws for example), Referer check (aga=
inst CSRF / forceful browsing), response rewriting, cryptography enforcemen=
t (both at SSL and HTTP - cookies - layers), HTTP protocol and parameter en=
forcement...

Some LB vendors (F5, Citrix...) added these features (usually by adding a l=
icense to your box) to their existing load balancers. Other vendors sell de=
dicated appliances for this : Cisco (WAF/AXG), Denyall, Imperva...


I talked only about Web based applications. Let's talk about Web services. =
If you use massively XML with SOAP/REST architectures, some security needs =
can come from this area. There are products enforcing XML security (it can =
be embedded into the Application Firewalls feature described above) but als=
o XML transformation.

Cisco AXG (stands for XML Gateway) and IBM Datapower are the two players, t=
heir products are some kind of "XML offload" platforms (XML security is onl=
y a little part of what it does really, you can perform XML transformation,=
 XML routing...).

Just a little overview of what can be embeded under "L7 inspection" :)

regards,

Surya

--- En date de=C2=A0: Jeu 28.1.10, S. Stef=C3=A1n Sigur=C3=B0sson <stebbi@c=
cpgames.com> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

De: S. Stef=C3=A1n Sigur=C3=B0sson <[email protected]>
Objet: Re: [load balancing] L7 packet inspection
=C3=80: "Load Balancing Mailing List" <[email protected]>
Date: Jeudi 28 Janvier 2010, 11h52

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LB or the network in front. Currently we are just=0Atrying to see what opti=
ons we have and we don=E2=80=99t have any defined needs, we may=0Aeven repr=
ogram some of our code to fit the L7 capabilities. =C2=A0=C2=A0Only thing I=
 can=0Asay for sure is that any increase in latency is really bad for us. =
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[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kenneth Salchow
=0ASent: 27. jan=C3=BAar 2010 20:35
=0ATo: Load Balancing Mailing List
=0ASubject: Re: [load balancing] L7 packet inspection =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =
=C2=A0 =0A=0ASorry for delayed=0Aresponse=E2=80=94was having too much fun i=
n Europe.=C2=A0 J =0A=0A =C2=A0 =0A=0APar usual, Ed, Tony=0Aand (increasing=
ly) Surya have covered a lot of the bases here=E2=80=94what they didn=E2=80=
=99t=0Aspecifically call out, but intimated, is that you really didn=E2=80=
=99t specify *what*=0Ayou want to do at L7.=C2=A0 That=E2=80=99s a HUGE det=
ermination in what you look for=0Aand who you but it from.=C2=A0 The produc=
ts, prices and capabilities range=0Aquite widely=E2=80=94heck, even here at=
 F5 we have several different capabilities from=0Athe basic L7 capability i=
n the ADC, to a protocol enforcement product to a=0Afull-fledged applicatio=
n firewall.=C2=A0 Which solution makes the most sense=0Atotally depends on =
what you want to do. =0A=0A =C2=A0 =0A=0AInstead of just=0Athrowing out var=
ious products and vendors generically=E2=80=94can you narrow down your=0Ago=
als a little?=C2=A0  =0A=0A =C2=A0 =0A=0AThanks, =0A=0A =C2=A0 =0A=0A=0A=0A=
=0A =0A  =0A  KJ (Ken) Salchow, Jr. | Manager, Technical=0A  Marketing =0A =
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[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of S.=0AStef=C3=A1=
n Sigur=C3=B0sson
=0ASent: Friday, January 22, 2010 5:28 AM
=0ATo: [email protected]
=0ASubject: [load balancing] L7 packet inspection =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =C2=A0=
 =0A=0AHi, my company=0Awants to start doing packet L7 inspection on all tr=
affic going through the load=0Abalancer. =0A=0A =C2=A0 =0A=0ANow my concern=
 (cost aside) is how will I get the best=0Aperformance possible, ever ms co=
unts. =0A=0A =C2=A0 =0A=0AWe are currently=0A=C2=A0using an Ace module to d=
o our SLB and it has the option of L7 inspect but=0Awill that perform any b=
etter than putting a good L7 firewall in front of the=0AACE. =0A=0A =C2=A0 =
=0A=0AWe are still=0Ajust in the concept stage of this plan so any advice o=
r good idea would be=0Agreatly appreciated.. =0A=0A =C2=A0 =0A=0AS. Stefan =
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;">Hello all.<br><br>I'll jump into this discuss=
ion again to explain what is "L7 inspection" and the associated products.<b=
r><br><br>Multiprotocol DPI (Deep Packet Inspection) : this is what you fin=
d in your ACE, cisco ASA or any good network firewall. it works on multiple=
 protocols (FTP, SIP, DNS, RTSP, FTP...) and avoids protocol misuse and RFC=
 compliance.<br><br>Usually you can also filter requests/responses (for exa=
mple with HTTP fixup you can drop requests if the URL length is greater tha=
n <span style=3D"font-style: italic;">n</span> bytes, drop specific HTTP me=
thods (options, trace, connect, post...), looking for specific patterns in =
the payload with regular expressions (if you want to drop requests with spe=
cific headers, just build a custom rule to match the string of character)..=
.<br><br>This is "basic" L7 inspection and filtering but the strength is th=
at
 it's usually performed in hardware and it supports a lot of protocols (in =
ACE it's performed by NPs and not the control plane I guess)<br><br><br>The=
n you have "application firewalls" (or Web App FW). These are dedicated fea=
tures or appliances working only on HTTP(S) - and mainly on Web-based appli=
cations, this is not relevant to XML web services - to avoid most of "Web a=
ttacks".<br><br>What is usually implemented in these products are URL norma=
lization, input validation (against XSS or injection flaws for example), Re=
ferer check (against CSRF / forceful browsing), response rewriting, cryptog=
raphy enforcement (both at SSL and HTTP - cookies - layers), HTTP protocol =
and parameter enforcement...<br><br>Some LB vendors (F5, Citrix...) added t=
hese features (usually by adding a license to your box) to their existing l=
oad balancers. Other vendors sell dedicated appliances for this : Cisco (WA=
F/AXG), Denyall, Imperva...<br><br><br>I talked only about Web based
 applications. Let's talk about Web services. If you use massively XML with=
 SOAP/REST architectures, some security needs can come from this area. Ther=
e are products enforcing XML security (it can be embedded into the Applicat=
ion Firewalls feature described above) but also XML transformation.<br><br>=
Cisco AXG (stands for XML Gateway) and IBM Datapower are the two players, t=
heir products are some kind of "XML offload" platforms (XML security is onl=
y a little part of what it does really, you can perform XML transformation,=
 XML routing...).<br><br>Just a little overview of what can be embeded unde=
r "L7 inspection" :)<br><br>regards,<br><br>Surya<br><br>--- En date de&nbs=
p;: <b>Jeu 28.1.10, S. Stef=C3=A1n Sigur=C3=B0sson <i>&lt;[email protected]=
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balancing] L7
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<span lang=3D"EN-US"> &nbsp;</span></p> =0A=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin-left: 36pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">We are currently=0A&nbsp;using=
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