Re: BigIP LTM Default persistence failing
Hamish Marson <[email protected]> Mon, 3 May 2010 10:02:49 +0100
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--===============0903419592== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-364910065 --Apple-Mail-1-364910065 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 3 May 2010, at 03:04, [email protected] wrote: > While I don't always agree with that logic (only upgrading if you need = the "gee wiz features,") why wouldn't they recommend 10.0.1 which = already had 4 HFs? I've found 10 to be extremely efficient and stable = and would be surprised to hear it not officially recommended by F5.=20 >=20 Recommended for what though? LIke I said, it's a GA version. For = customers that require stability above all else, run GS. That doesn't = mean there's anything wrong with a GA version BTW...=20 Not that I want to really get into a big discussion about it, but if a = support person from F5 recommended you run a GA version and then you had = a problem, who would you blame? Making the decision whether to go for a = GA version has to be (IMO) made by someone who understands your WHOLE = site completely. A support person is only going to know what you told = them, which is usually pretty limited... H > Anywho, that discussion could be had in a separate thread. It appears = we've successfully answered Bill's question. >=20 >=20 > [email protected] wrote: ----- >=20 > To: Load Balancing Mailing List <[email protected]> > From: Hamish Marson <[email protected]> > Sent by: [email protected] > Date: 05/02/2010 05:25PM > Subject: Re: [load balancing] BigIP LTM Default persistence failing >=20 >=20 > On 2 May 2010, at 23:08, [email protected] wrote: >=20 > > I wonder why they didn't recommend going to 10.1 instead of = 9.4.8...if you're planning upgrade anyways, I'd recommend asking the = tech about going to 10.1 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > 9.4.8 is a GS (General Sustainability) version. ie. it's stable, and = updates are only to fix bugs. > 10.1 (And 10.0) are GA versions (General Availability). They have = updates to add features and fix bugs.=20 >=20 > Because of the 'Add Features' feature of GA versions you'll find new = bugs introduced at times. So it's not generally recommended to run GA = versions in production unless you actually need to. (i.e. there might be = some gee wiz feature you need etc). >=20 > H >=20 >=20 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Blackford [[email protected]] > > Sent: 05/02/2010 02:15 PM MST > > To: Load Balancing Mailing List <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [load balancing] BigIP LTM Default persistence failing > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Thank you. What you're stating is exactly what I'm experiencing. = BTW, > > the code upgrade was a suggestion to get us up to a more current > > version. I think it may have been an assumption of the TAC tech that > > an upgrade may fix the "cosmetic" problem. I'm hearing that what I'm > > expecting to see in the stats, may not exist or may not be added as = a > > feature request. I'm still waiting to hear back. > >=20 > > Thank you, > >=20 > > -b > >=20 > >=20 > > On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 1:47 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have the same issue with cookie persistence users not showing up = in stats > >> view. I would assume this was by design since cookie persistence = doesn't > >> maintain a state on the Big-IP. I know you can't mirror cookie = persistence > >> and it wouldn't be necessary to do so, hence; there isn't a "cookie > >> persistence table" and likely why there isn't anything in stats = view. I > >> don't see how upgrading will help here and don't understand why = they advised > >> you too. > >>=20 > >> [email protected] wrote: ----- > >>=20 > >> To: Load Balancing Mailing List <[email protected]> > >> From: Bill Blackford <[email protected]> > >> Sent by: [email protected] > >> Date: 05/02/2010 02:49PM > >> Subject: Re: [load balancing] BigIP LTM Default persistence failing > >>=20 > >> Opened a Support Case. My issue appears to be a cosmetic only issue > >> with the GUI. The behavior I'm seeing is showing what appears to be > >> proper affinity. In fact, when I disable the fallback persistence = of > >> [source address] then make a connection, I see nothing in the > >> statistics view but I do seem my session stuck to one node. TAC > >> recommends going to 9.48. > >>=20 > >> thanks to all. I'm confident that F5 TAC nailed the issue. > >>=20 > >> -b > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Tony Bourke <[email protected]> = wrote: > >>> Hi Bill, > >>>=20 > >>> Check the date on the BIG-IP. Sometimes if you have the date set = wrong, > >>> the > >>> cookie expires in the past, so your browsers never send the = cookies. > >>>=20 > >>> Also, load up HTTPfox (or other browser plug-in) and see if you = can see > >>> the > >>> cookies generated by the F5. You can also check the date the = cookies are > >>> set to expire (if they're not session cookies). > >>>=20 > >>> Tony > >>>=20 > >>>=20 > >>> On 5/2/2010 10:39 AM, Bill Blackford wrote: > >>>>=20 > >>>> Issue: BigIP LTM only using fallback persistence > >>>> Unit: 1600 > >>>> Ver: 9.45 > >>>>=20 > >>>> I have a VIP set to use default persistence as Cookie and fall = back to > >>>> use source address. Cookie method is 'HTTP Cookie Insert' > >>>> Statistics are showing the persistence mode of Source Address = Affinity > >>>> only. > >>>>=20 > >>>> Am I missing something? > >>>>=20 > >>>> Thank you, > >>>>=20 > >>>> -b > >>>>=20 > >>>>=20 > >>>>=20 > >>>=20 > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> lb-l mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://vegan.net/mailman/listinfo/lb-l > >>> Searchable Archive: http://vegan.net/lb/archive > >>> http://lbdigest.com Load Balancing Digest > >>> http://lbwiki.com Load Balancing Wiki > >>>=20 > >>=20 > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> -- > >> Bill Blackford > >> Network Engineer > >>=20 > >> Logged into reality and abusing my sudo privileges..... > >> _______________________________________________ > >> lb-l mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://vegan.net/mailman/listinfo/lb-l > >> Searchable Archive: http://vegan.net/lb/archive > >> http://lbdigest.com Load Balancing Digest > >> http://lbwiki.com Load Balancing Wiki > >>=20 > >> ________________________________ > >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > >> This is a transmission from Kohl's Department Stores, Inc. > >> and may contain information which is confidential and proprietary. > >> If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, copying or = distribution or use > >> of the contents of this message is expressly prohibited. > >> If you have received this transmission in error, please destroy it = and > >> notify us immediately at 262-703-7000. > >>=20 > >> CAUTION: > >> Internet and e-mail communications are Kohl's property and Kohl's = reserves > >> the right to retrieve and read any message created, sent and = received. > >> Kohl's reserves the right to monitor messages by authorized Kohl's > >> Associates at any time > >> without any further consent. > >>=20 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> lb-l mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://vegan.net/mailman/listinfo/lb-l > >> Searchable Archive: http://vegan.net/lb/archive > >> http://lbdigest.com Load Balancing Digest > >> http://lbwiki.com Load Balancing Wiki > >>=20 > >>=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > -- > > Bill Blackford > > Network Engineer > >=20 > > Logged into reality and abusing my sudo privileges..... > > _______________________________________________ > > lb-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://vegan.net/mailman/listinfo/lb-l > > Searchable Archive: http://vegan.net/lb/archive > > http://lbdigest.com Load Balancing Digest > > http://lbwiki.com Load Balancing Wiki > >=20 > > = ********************************************************************** > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:=20 > > This is a transmission from Kohl's Department Stores, Inc. > > and may contain information which is confidential and proprietary. > > If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, copying or = distribution or use of the contents of this message is expressly = prohibited. > > If you have received this transmission in error, please destroy it = and notify us immediately at 262-703-7000. > >=20 > > CAUTION: > > Internet and e-mail communications are Kohl's property and Kohl's = reserves the right to retrieve and read any message created, sent and = received. Kohl's reserves the right to monitor messages by authorized = Kohl's Associates at any time > > without any further consent. > > _______________________________________________ > > lb-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://vegan.net/mailman/listinfo/lb-l > > Searchable Archive: http://vegan.net/lb/archive > > http://lbdigest.com Load Balancing Digest > > http://lbwiki.com Load Balancing Wiki >=20 > _______________________________________________ > lb-l mailing list > [email protected] > http://vegan.net/mailman/listinfo/lb-l > Searchable Archive: http://vegan.net/lb/archive > http://lbdigest.com Load Balancing Digest > http://lbwiki.com Load Balancing Wiki >=20 > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:=20 > This is a transmission from Kohl's Department Stores, Inc. > and may contain information which is confidential and proprietary. > If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, copying or distribution = or use of the contents of this message is expressly prohibited. > If you have received this transmission in error, please destroy it and = notify us immediately at 262-703-7000. >=20 > CAUTION: > Internet and e-mail communications are Kohl's property and Kohl's = reserves the right to retrieve and read any message created, sent and = received. Kohl's reserves the right to monitor messages by authorized = Kohl's Associates at any time > without any further consent. > _______________________________________________ > lb-l mailing list > [email protected] > http://vegan.net/mailman/listinfo/lb-l > Searchable Archive: http://vegan.net/lb/archive > http://lbdigest.com Load Balancing Digest > http://lbwiki.com Load Balancing Wiki --Apple-Mail-1-364910065 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; = "><br><div><div>On 3 May 2010, at 03:04, <a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> = wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><font face=3D"Default Sans = Serif,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" size=3D"2"><div>While I don't = always agree with that logic (only upgrading if you need the "gee wiz = features,") why wouldn't they recommend 10.0.1 which already had 4 HFs? = I've found 10 to be extremely efficient and stable and would be = surprised to hear it not officially recommended by = F5. </div><div><br></div></font></blockquote><div><br></div>Recommend= ed for what though? LIke I said, it's a GA version. For customers that = require stability above all else, run GS. That doesn't mean there's = anything wrong with a GA version = BTW... </div><div><br></div><div>Not that I want to really get into = a big discussion about it, but if a support person from F5 recommended = you run a GA version and then you had a problem, who would you blame? = Making the decision whether to go for a GA version has to be (IMO) made = by someone who understands your WHOLE site completely. A support person = is only going to know what you told them, which is usually pretty = limited...</div><div><br></div><div>H</div><div><br><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><font face=3D"Default Sans = Serif,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" size=3D"2"><div>Anywho, that = discussion could be had in a separate thread. It appears we've = successfully answered Bill's = question.</div><div><br><div><br></div><font color=3D"#990099"><a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a= > wrote: -----<br><br></font><blockquote = style=3D"padding-right:0px;padding-left:5px;margin-left:5px;border-left:#0= 00000 2px solid;margin-right:0px">To: Load Balancing Mailing List <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>><br>From: Hamish = Marson <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>>= ;<br>Sent by: <a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br>Date:= 05/02/2010 05:25PM<br>Subject: Re: [load balancing] BigIP LTM Default = persistence failing<br><br><font face=3D"Courier New,Courier,monospace" = size=3D"3"><br>On 2 May 2010, at 23:08, <a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> = wrote:<br><br>> I wonder why they didn't recommend going to 10.1 = instead of 9.4.8...if you're planning upgrade anyways, I'd recommend = asking the tech about going to 10.1<br>> <br>> <br><br><br>9.4.8 = is a GS (General Sustainability) version. ie. it's stable, and updates = are only to fix bugs.<br>10.1 (And 10.0) are GA versions (General = Availability). They have updates to add features and fix bugs. = <br><br>Because of the 'Add Features' feature of GA versions you'll find = new bugs introduced at times. So it's not generally recommended to run = GA versions in production unless you actually need to. (i.e. there might = be some gee wiz feature you need etc).<br><br>H<br><br><br>> ----- = Original Message -----<br>> From: Bill Blackford = [[email protected]]<br>> Sent: 05/02/2010 02:15 PM MST<br>> = To: Load Balancing Mailing List <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>><br>> Subject: = Re: [load balancing] BigIP LTM Default persistence failing<br>> = <br>> <br>> <br>> Thank you. What you're stating is exactly = what I'm experiencing. BTW,<br>> the code upgrade was a suggestion to = get us up to a more current<br>> version. I think it may have been an = assumption of the TAC tech that<br>> an upgrade may fix the = "cosmetic" problem. I'm hearing that what I'm<br>> expecting to see = in the stats, may not exist or may not be added as a<br>> feature = request. I'm still waiting to hear back.<br>> <br>> Thank = you,<br>> <br>> -b<br>> <br>> <br>> On Sun, May 2, 2010 = at 1:47 PM, <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> = wrote:<br>>> I have the same issue with cookie persistence users = not showing up in stats<br>>> view. I would assume this was by = design since cookie persistence doesn't<br>>> maintain a state on = the Big-IP. I know you can't mirror cookie persistence<br>>> and = it wouldn't be necessary to do so, hence; there isn't a = "cookie<br>>> persistence table" and likely why there isn't = anything in stats view. I<br>>> don't see how upgrading will help = here and don't understand why they advised<br>>> you = too.<br>>> <br>>> <a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a= > wrote: -----<br>>> <br>>> To: Load Balancing Mailing List = <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>><br>>> = From: Bill Blackford <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>><br>&= gt;> Sent by: <a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br>>&= gt; Date: 05/02/2010 02:49PM<br>>> Subject: Re: [load balancing] = BigIP LTM Default persistence failing<br>>> <br>>> Opened a = Support Case. My issue appears to be a cosmetic only issue<br>>> = with the GUI. The behavior I'm seeing is showing what appears to = be<br>>> proper affinity. In fact, when I disable the fallback = persistence of<br>>> [source address] then make a connection, I = see nothing in the<br>>> statistics view but I do seem my session = stuck to one node. TAC<br>>> recommends going to 9.48.<br>>> = <br>>> thanks to all. I'm confident that F5 TAC nailed the = issue.<br>>> <br>>> -b<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> = On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Tony Bourke <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> = wrote:<br>>>> Hi Bill,<br>>>> <br>>>> Check = the date on the BIG-IP. Sometimes if you have the date set = wrong,<br>>>> the<br>>>> cookie expires in the past, = so your browsers never send the cookies.<br>>>> = <br>>>> Also, load up HTTPfox (or other browser plug-in) and = see if you can see<br>>>> the<br>>>> cookies generated = by the F5. You can also check the date the cookies = are<br>>>> set to expire (if they're not session = cookies).<br>>>> <br>>>> Tony<br>>>> = <br>>>> <br>>>> On 5/2/2010 10:39 AM, Bill Blackford = wrote:<br>>>>> <br>>>>> Issue: BigIP LTM only = using fallback persistence<br>>>>> Unit: = 1600<br>>>>> Ver: 9.45<br>>>>> = <br>>>>> I have a VIP set to use default persistence as = Cookie and fall back to<br>>>>> use source address. Cookie = method is 'HTTP Cookie Insert'<br>>>>> Statistics are = showing the persistence mode of Source Address = Affinity<br>>>>> only.<br>>>>> = <br>>>>> Am I missing something?<br>>>>> = <br>>>>> Thank you,<br>>>>> <br>>>>> = -b<br>>>>> <br>>>>> <br>>>>> = <br>>>> <br>>>> = _______________________________________________<br>>>> lb-l = mailing list<br>>>> <a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br>>>> <a = href=3D"http://vegan.net/mailman/listinfo/lb-l">http://vegan.net/mailman/l= istinfo/lb-l</a><br>>>> Searchable Archive: <a = href=3D"http://vegan.net/lb/archive">http://vegan.net/lb/archive</a><br>&g= t;>> <a = href=3D"http://lbdigest.com/">http://lbdigest.com</a> Load = Balancing Digest<br>>>> <a = href=3D"http://lbwiki.com/">http://lbwiki.com</a> Load Balancing = Wiki<br>>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> = --<br>>> Bill Blackford<br>>> Network Engineer<br>>> = <br>>> Logged into reality and abusing my sudo = privileges.....<br>>> = _______________________________________________<br>>> lb-l mailing = list<br>>> <a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br>>> <a = href=3D"http://vegan.net/mailman/listinfo/lb-l">http://vegan.net/mailman/l= istinfo/lb-l</a><br>>> Searchable Archive: <a = href=3D"http://vegan.net/lb/archive">http://vegan.net/lb/archive</a><br>&g= t;> <a href=3D"http://lbdigest.com/">http://lbdigest.com</a> Load = Balancing Digest<br>>> <a = href=3D"http://lbwiki.com/">http://lbwiki.com</a> Load Balancing = Wiki<br>>> <br>>> = ________________________________<br>>> CONFIDENTIALITY = NOTICE:<br>>> This is a transmission from Kohl's Department = Stores, Inc.<br>>> and may contain information which is = confidential and proprietary.<br>>> If you are not the addressee, = any disclosure, copying or distribution or use<br>>> of the = contents of this message is expressly prohibited.<br>>> If you = have received this transmission in error, please destroy it = and<br>>> notify us immediately at 262-703-7000.<br>>> = <br>>> CAUTION:<br>>> Internet and e-mail communications are = Kohl's property and Kohl's reserves<br>>> the right to retrieve = and read any message created, sent and received.<br>>> Kohl's = reserves the right to monitor messages by authorized Kohl's<br>>> = Associates at any time<br>>> without any further = consent.<br>>> <br>>> = _______________________________________________<br>>> lb-l mailing = list<br>>> <a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br>>> <a = href=3D"http://vegan.net/mailman/listinfo/lb-l">http://vegan.net/mailman/l= istinfo/lb-l</a><br>>> Searchable Archive: <a = href=3D"http://vegan.net/lb/archive">http://vegan.net/lb/archive</a><br>&g= t;> <a href=3D"http://lbdigest.com/">http://lbdigest.com</a> Load = Balancing Digest<br>>> <a = href=3D"http://lbwiki.com/">http://lbwiki.com</a> Load Balancing = Wiki<br>>> <br>>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> = --<br>> Bill Blackford<br>> Network Engineer<br>> <br>> = Logged into reality and abusing my sudo privileges.....<br>> = _______________________________________________<br>> lb-l mailing = list<br>> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br>> = <a = href=3D"http://vegan.net/mailman/listinfo/lb-l">http://vegan.net/mailman/l= istinfo/lb-l</a><br>> Searchable Archive: <a = href=3D"http://vegan.net/lb/archive">http://vegan.net/lb/archive</a><br>&g= t; <a href=3D"http://lbdigest.com/">http://lbdigest.com</a> Load = Balancing Digest<br>> <a = href=3D"http://lbwiki.com/">http://lbwiki.com</a> Load Balancing = Wiki<br>> <br>> = **********************************************************************<br>= > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: <br>> This is a transmission from Kohl's = Department Stores, Inc.<br>> and may contain information which is = confidential and proprietary.<br>> If you are not the addressee, any = disclosure, copying or distribution or use of the contents of this = message is expressly prohibited.<br>> If you have received this = transmission in error, please destroy it and notify us immediately at = 262-703-7000.<br>> <br>> CAUTION:<br>> Internet and e-mail = communications are Kohl's property and Kohl's reserves the right to = retrieve and read any message created, sent and received. 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