Re: BigIP LTM Default persistence failing

[email protected] Sun, 2 May 2010 21:04:35 -0500
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=3D2><div>While I don't always agree with that logic (only upgrading if you=
 need the "gee wiz features,") why wouldn't they recommend 10.0.1 which alr=
eady had 4 HFs? I've found 10 to be extremely efficient and stable and woul=
d be surprised to hear it not officially recommended by F5.&nbsp;</div><div=
><br></div><div>Anywho, that discussion could be had in a separate thread. =
It appears we've successfully answered Bill's question.</div><div><br><div>=
<br></div><font color=3D"#990099">[email protected] wrote: -----<=
br><br></font><blockquote style=3D"padding-right:0px;padding-left:5px;margi=
n-left:5px;border-left:#000000 2px solid;margin-right:0px">To: Load Balanci=
ng Mailing List &lt;[email protected]&gt;<br>From: Hamish Marson &lt;hamish@tr=
avellingkiwi.com&gt;<br>Sent by: [email protected]<br>Date: 05/02/2010=
 05:25PM<br>Subject: Re: [load balancing] BigIP LTM Default persistence fai=
ling<br><br><font face=3D"Courier New,Courier,monospace" size=3D"3"><br>On =
2 May 2010, at 23:08, [email protected] wrote:<br><br>&gt; I wonder w=
hy they didn't recommend going to 10.1 instead of 9.4.8...if you're plannin=
g upgrade anyways, I'd recommend asking the tech about going to 10.1<br>&gt=
; <br>&gt; <br><br><br>9.4.8 is a GS (General Sustainability) version. ie. =
it's stable, and updates are only to fix bugs.<br>10.1 (And 10.0) are GA ve=
rsions (General Availability). They have updates to add features and fix bu=
gs. <br><br>Because of the 'Add Features' feature of GA versions you'll fin=
d new bugs introduced at times. So it's not generally recommended to run GA=
 versions in production unless you actually need to. (i.e. there might be s=
ome gee wiz feature you need etc).<br><br>H<br><br><br>&gt; ----- Original =
Message -----<br>&gt; From: Bill Blackford [[email protected]]<br>&gt;=
 Sent: 05/02/2010 02:15 PM MST<br>&gt; To: Load Balancing Mailing List &lt;=
[email protected]&gt;<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [load balancing] BigIP LTM Default =
persistence failing<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Thank you. What you'=
re stating is exactly what I'm experiencing. BTW,<br>&gt; the code upgrade =
was a suggestion to get us up to a more current<br>&gt; version. I think it=
 may have been an assumption of the TAC tech that<br>&gt; an upgrade may fi=
x the "cosmetic" problem. I'm hearing that what I'm<br>&gt; expecting to se=
e in the stats, may not exist or may not be added as a<br>&gt; feature requ=
est. I'm still waiting to hear back.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Thank you,<br>&gt; <b=
r>&gt; -b<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 1:47 PM, &nbsp;&=
lt;[email protected]&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; I have the same issue wit=
h cookie persistence users not showing up in stats<br>&gt;&gt; view. I woul=
d assume this was by design since cookie persistence doesn't<br>&gt;&gt; ma=
intain a state on the Big-IP. I know you can't mirror cookie persistence<br=
>&gt;&gt; and it wouldn't be necessary to do so, hence; there isn't a "cook=
ie<br>&gt;&gt; persistence table" and likely why there isn't anything in st=
ats view. I<br>&gt;&gt; don't see how upgrading will help here and don't un=
derstand why they advised<br>&gt;&gt; you too.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; ---=
[email protected] wrote: -----<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; To: Load Bal=
ancing Mailing List &lt;[email protected]&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; From: Bill Blackford=
 &lt;[email protected]&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Sent by: [email protected]=
<br>&gt;&gt; Date: 05/02/2010 02:49PM<br>&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [load balanc=
ing] BigIP LTM Default persistence failing<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Opened =
a Support Case. My issue appears to be a cosmetic only issue<br>&gt;&gt; wi=
th the GUI. The behavior I'm seeing is showing what appears to be<br>&gt;&g=
t; proper affinity. In fact, when I disable the fallback persistence of<br>=
&gt;&gt; [source address] then make a connection, I see nothing in the<br>&=
gt;&gt; statistics view but I do seem my session stuck to one node. TAC<br>=
&gt;&gt; recommends going to 9.48.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; thanks to all. =
I'm confident that F5 TAC nailed the issue.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; -b<br>=
&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Tony Bo=
urke &lt;[email protected]&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi Bill,<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;=
 <br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Check the date on the BIG-IP. &nbsp;Sometimes if you have=
 the date set wrong,<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; the<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; cookie expires in =
the past, so your browsers never send the cookies.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;=
&gt;&gt; Also, load up HTTPfox (or other browser plug-in) and see if you ca=
n see<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; the<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; cookies generated by the F5. &nbs=
p;You can also check the date the cookies are<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; set to expire=
 (if they're not session cookies).<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Tony<br=
>&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt;&gt; On 5/2/2010 10:39 AM, Bill =
Blackford wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Issue: BigIP LTM =
only using fallback persistence<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Unit: 1600<br>&gt;&gt;&=
gt;&gt; Ver: 9.45<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I have a VIP set=
 to use default persistence as Cookie and fall back to<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =
use source address. Cookie method is 'HTTP Cookie Insert'<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&g=
t; Statistics are showing the persistence mode of Source Address Affinity<b=
r>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; only.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Am I miss=
ing something?<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Thank you,<br>&gt;&=
gt;&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; -b<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt=
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