Re: [AM-Old List] [AM] Problems ever occur in Agile?
"Philippe Back (High Octane)" <[email protected]> Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:18:28 +0200
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I do not agree on using only tables for structures etc. UML (or whatever) diagrams make a lot of sense for me (I am pretty visual). But with a good tool, both versions can exist. The good thing I see there is that there is enough info to get things done (aligned w/ Parnas's paper on faking a rational process) without getting overwhelmed. IMV, when someone has reached some level of understanding in methodology, I= guess simplification is in order. Freedom provides that. /Philippe Back www.highoctane.be ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Rick Lutowski" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 30 March, 2004 19:35 Subject: RE: [AM-Old List] [AM] Problems ever occur in Agile? This list is now moving to [email protected]. Please sign up to the new list as we'll soon shut this one down. Visit www.agilemodeling.com/feedback.htm for details. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Menthol Smokers Only! Click on the link below and register to receive up to $50 in savings from one of America's leading menthol brands. http://click.topica.com/caab4S3bUrKDAbVZCKia/ Lorillard =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Brad Appleton wrote: > > Interesting - I wonder what the folks at AgileTek did to XP to create their Agile+ methodology (formerly CodeScience from Geneer) where they clai= m to have successfully used it many times on large systems and government contracts. See www.agiletek.com for details. One of Agile+ creators is John= Manzo, who has a history of leading successful large-scale gov't/military software development, and was (is?) on the Arlie Software Council. Those were my observations from having worked in the trenches. I am not a contracting legal officer, so do not know all the possible variances. I do know that contractng law is complex. I think a lot depends on the specific contracting situation: sole source versus competitive, single versus multi-contractor, etc. Even more depends on the personality of the contracting officer -- whether he is a 'stickler for regs', is willing to bend the rules (whatever they are), etc. I have seen gov't projects run many different ways. Also, when development occurs totally within a gov't agency, they can do whatever they want as contracting rules do not apply. So there are indeed situations where agile could be applied to gov't projects. 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