Re: Refactoring process model,

The only one that matters.

On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Amir Kolsky <[email protected]> wrote:

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> And the name we give this ility is?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Adam Sroka
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 2:51 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [refactoring] Refactoring process model,
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> To make the design simpler -- so it has less duplication, is clearer, and
> has no unneeded parts. Thus it should be easier to maintain.
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> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Amir Kolsky <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > **
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> >
> >
> > You do not refactor, that is change the design, just for the sake of it.
> > You
> > set out with the goal of improving SOME ility -- why else would you
> > change your design? The same hold for process refactoring. So, here's
> > a question to the original poster -- what are you trying to
> > accomplish?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> > On Behalf Of Adam Sroka
> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:27 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [refactoring] Refactoring process model,
> >
> > We refactor to improve the design. We optimize to improve "ilities."
> > These are separate activities. The end goal is to have the best design
> > that meets the customers needs.
> >
> > It is true that a given refactoring may preserve behavior but not
> > performance (or other qualities.) That's why we write tests for these
> > and when they fall outside an acceptable threshold we optimize them
> > aggressively.
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Amir Kolsky <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > **
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well... Refactoring a system means changing its internal structure
> > > without changing its behavior. I would guess that for a process with
> > > a specified input and output, you can change the internal steps
> > > without changing the outcome.
> > >
> > > The problem with the definition of refactoring is that what is
> > > construed to be the 'behavior of the system' really means the
> > > 'functional behavior of the system'. This leaves 'ilities' in an
> > > unknown state. Should the performance be the same? The flexibility?
> > > The maintainability?
> > >
> > > If you would keep the full behavior of the system intact, you can't
> > > really do any refactoring. So my guess is that by 'process'
> > > refactoring we mean making sure that the outcome is the same but we
> > > get better performance, visibility, quality, etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [email protected]
> > > [mailto:[email protected]]
> > > On Behalf Of Steven Gordon
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 10:15 AM
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: Re: [refactoring] Refactoring process model,
> > >
> > > Would refactoring a model mean that the form and organization of the
> > > model is being changed while keeping the meaning of the model
> unchanged?
> > >
> > > If so, I would need some convincing to believe there is much
> > > practical value in it.
> > >
> > > If not, then I think refactoring would be a very deceptive way to
> > > label what is really reworking a model.
> > >
> > > SteveG
> > >
> > > On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 12:37 AM, aishafds <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi
> > > > Am planning to do a little research on refactoring of business
> > > > process models. can you please suggest some ways i can go about...
> > > >
> > > > Was thinking of a normalization approach to the models...do you
> > > > think this idea can work out ?
> > > > thanks
> > > > looking forward to your suggestions Aisha
> > > >
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