Re: Re: Scrum Master Job Description
"'Zander Collier, III' [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]" <[email protected]> Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:38:33 -0800
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--001a113ddf56c861800560cc67a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This may sound too pessimistic, but it's been my singular experience that Leadership never has the discipline to accept Agile. The say they accept "this wonderful new world" of software development, but they think it's all benefits and no costs. They somehow end up believing that by applying the words "Agile" and/or "Scrum" that benefits magically accrue. This ends up meaning that dev teams put in 60-80 hour weeks depending on where things are in the lifecycle of the project. Too many bosses care about buying technical debt than they care about paying it down. -Zander On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Scott Griffin [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I've been doing likewise for the past 4 months with devs in India, onsite > reps in Denver, and me in Virginia. We're making it work. Having > additional PM support on my team to directly interface with the team and > client on a daily basis so I can do more executive-level work in the > background is a thing. Communication is the key. I may not be doing muc= h > mentoring as my role evolves, but it doesn't change the agility level of > the project. > > And no, I've never called myself a SCRUM master. Especially not with a > client who, up until I showed him how it worked, couldn't read a burndown > chart. To him, Agile just means he gets to tell me to completely change > everything in the middle of the project and still expect the same deliver= y > deadline and costs. > > > On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:52 PM, "[email protected] > [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Alan - can you tell us where in the Agile Manifesto, the Agile Principles > or the Scrum Guide, it says that the team have to be in the same room? > > I think you may find that this 'same room' mentality comes from the earl= y > days of XP but the Agile movement has moved on (forgive the pun!).. > > I have regularly coached and mentored successful Agile teams with global > distribution; daily stand-ups with team, stakeholder and management membe= rs > in Tokyo, Beijing, San Diego and Helsinki. > > > > >=20 > --001a113ddf56c861800560cc67a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <head> <style type=3D"text/css"> <!-- /* start of attachment style */ .ygrp-photo-title{ clear: both; 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<<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_bla= nk">SCRUMDEVELOPMENT@yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>> wrote:<br></font></div> = <br><br> </span><div class=3D"m_4886224542182217689y_msg_container"><div id= =3D"m_4886224542182217689yiv0989368079"><div> <span style=3D"display:none">=C2=A0</span> <div id=3D"m_4886224542182217689yiv0989368079ygrp-mlmsg"> <div id=3D"m_4886224542182217689yiv0989368079ygrp-msg"> <div id=3D"m_4886224542182217689yiv0989368079ygrp-text"><span class=3D"= "> =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <div></div><div>Alan - can you tell us where in the Agile Manifesto, = the Agile Principles or the Scrum Guide, it says that the team have to be i= n the same room?</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div></span><div>I think you= =C2=A0 may find that this 'same room' mentality=C2=A0comes from the= early days of XP but the Agile movement has moved on (forgive the pun!)..<= /div><span class=3D""><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>I have regularly c= oached and mentored successful Agile teams with global distribution; 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