RE: Re: Scrum Master Job Description [1 Attachment]
"Steve Ropa [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]" <[email protected]> Thu, 21 Dec 2017 12:57:58 -0700
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--_EED8C790-10C5-4DC8-A31B-B6DECA489789_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I am 100% on board with you there. I actually agreed with the statement th= at if someone were fulfilling all of the items on that job description, it = made no sense to call them scrum master. Mostly because nothing that they = do is a job of a scrum master. It=E2=80=99d be like a guy who cuts down tr= ees and turns them into lumber to allow people to build things called himse= lf a plumber. The job description just doesn=E2=80=99t match the title. I also have been concerned with the corruption of Agile for quite some time= .. And I agree that agile is a spirit as opposed to a collection of princip= les and values, although they do well to inform how one can achieve that sp= irit. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Michael Wollin [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 12:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] Re: Scrum Master Job Description =C2=A0=20 Funny how the distributed teams aspect took over this thread. It is such a = minor part of what I think are much bigger issues with the job posting.=C2= =A0 To me, agile is more than the principles and values. It is a spirit. That s= pirit can be present in a distributed team. It=E2=80=99s not ideal. It=E2= =80=99s harder to do. But still possible.=C2=A0 Again, it=E2=80=99s the corruption of agile that s my concern.=C2=A0 Michael On Dec 21, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Steve Ropa [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPM= ENT] <[email protected]> wrote: [Attachment(s)=C2=A0from Steve Ropa included below] This is something that always bothers me.=C2=A0 People say =E2=80=9Cfind th= is explicitly stated in the manifesto=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 That feels like a dif= ficult way of thinking about Agile.=C2=A0 Obviously the principle stated be= low makes it clear that ideally we want people to have face to face communi= cation, which is exceptionally difficult when distributed around the world.= =C2=A0 So does that mean if you are on a distributed team you can=E2=80=99t= be agile?=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t think so.=C2=A0 I think it is showing that= it will be much more difficult to be agile in those circumstances. =C2=A0 Are you =E2=80=9Cdoing agile wrong=E2=80=9D if you have a distributed team?= =C2=A0 Of course not. =C2=A0But you are choosing to make a compromise that = will require you to find a way to be more agile without co-located teams.= =C2=A0 Now were I in a position to effect changes in a distributed organiza= tion, I would recommend quite strongly to find a way to limit the distribut= ion, perhaps having each location have its own co-located team rather than = a person here, a person there, but that is a highly situational considerati= on =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sent from=C2=A0Mail=C2=A0for Windows 10 =C2=A0 From:=C2=A0Scott Griffin [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] Sent:=C2=A0Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:58 AM To:[email protected] Subject:=C2=A0Re: [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] Re: Scrum Master Job Description =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I picked it up in the manifesto when I first started exploring Agile develo= pment principles =C2=A0 The most efficient and effective method of=C2=A0 conveying information to and within a development=C2=A0 team is face-to-face conversation =C2=A0 On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:18 PM, "[email protected]=C2=A0[SCRUMDEVEL= OPMENT]" <[email protected]> wrote: =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 My apologies Scott - I misread your 'I am doing Agile wrong' message as bei= ng from Alan. =C2=A0 This thread was started by Michael showing us the job spec for a Scrum Mast= er that severely breaks the advice and guidance given in the Scrum Guide. =C2=A0 Now, anybody is free to do whatever they like (within the law of course) bu= t why would accompany or person want to call someone or themselves if they = are not following the Scrum Guide. =C2=A0 To be facetious for a moment, if you were a dentist, do you think it accept= able to apply for a brain surgeon job?=C2=A0 After all, both jobs are medic= al and to do with bits of the head! =C2=A0 And you never answered my question about where you=C2=A0have read=C2=A0that= Agile means all the team is in the same room. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --_EED8C790-10C5-4DC8-A31B-B6DECA489789_ Content-Type: text/html; 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I= t is such a minor part of what I think are much bigger issues with the job = posting. </p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div= ><p class=3DMsoNormal>To me, agile is more than the principles and values. = It is a spirit. That spirit can be present in a distributed team. It=E2=80= =99s not ideal. It=E2=80=99s harder to do. But still possible. <o:p></= o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Again, it=E2=80=99s the corruption of agile that s my con= cern. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p>= </p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Michael<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DM= soNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margi= n-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Dec 21, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Ste= ve Ropa <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> [SCR= UMDEVELOPMENT] <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">SCRU= [email protected]</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D= MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div id=3Dygrp-mlmsg><div id=3Dygrp-msg= ><div id=3Dygrp-text><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt= ;font-family:"Georgia",serif'>[<a href=3D"x-msg://19/#TopText"><span style= =3D'text-decoration:none'>Attachment(s)</span></a><span class=3Dapple-conve= rted-space> </span>from Steve Ropa included below]</span></b><span sty= le=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><= div style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font= -size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div= ><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'fo= nt-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'>This is something that always b= others me. People say =E2=80=9Cfind this explicitly stated in the man= ifesto=E2=80=9D. That feels like a difficult way of thinking about Ag= ile. Obviously the principle stated below makes it clear that ideally= we want people to have face to face communication, which is exceptionally = difficult when distributed around the world. So does that mean if you= are on a distributed team you can=E2=80=99t be agile? I don=E2=80=99= t think so. I think it is showing that it will be much more difficult= to be agile in those circumstances.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNor= mal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fam= ily:"Georgia",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style= =3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geor= gia",serif'>Are you =E2=80=9Cdoing agile wrong=E2=80=9D if you have a distr= ibuted team? Of course not. But you are choosing to make a comp= romise that will require you to find a way to be more agile without co-loca= ted teams. Now were I in a position to effect changes in a distribute= d organization, I would recommend quite strongly to find a way to limit the= distribution, perhaps having each location have its own co-located team ra= ther than a person here, a person there, but that is a highly situational c= onsideration<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bott= om:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'>&nb= sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt= '><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'> <o:p><= /o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span s= tyle=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'>Sent from<span class= =3Dapple-converted-space> </span><a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/f= wlink/?LinkId=3D550986"><span style=3D'font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Ma= il</span></a><span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>for Windows 1= 0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>= <span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'> <o:p></o= :p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padd= ing:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>= <b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'>From:<span = class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span style=3D'font-s= ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'><a href=3D"mailto:SCRUMDEVELOPMENT@= yahoogroups.com"><span style=3D'font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Scott Gri= ffin [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]</span></a><br><b>Sent:<span c= lass=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></b>Thursday, December 21, 2017 1= 1:58 AM<br><b>To:<span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></b><a hr= ef=3D"mailto:[email protected]"><span style=3D'font-family:"= Verdana",sans-serif'>[email protected]</span></a><br><b>Subj= ect:<span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></b>Re: [SCRUMDEVELOPM= ENT] Re: Scrum Master Job Description<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class= =3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt= ;font-family:"Georgia",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNor= mal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fam= ily:"Georgia",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3Dygrp-mlmsg><div = id=3Dygrp-msg><div id=3Dygrp-text><div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513829= 730229_17362"><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background= :white'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'= >I picked it up in the manifesto when I first started exploring Agile devel= opment principles</span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgi= a",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_15138297= 30229_17362"><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:= white'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>= </span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'><= o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513829730229_17362= "><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><spa= n style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>The most e= fficient and effective method of </span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0p= t;font-family:"Georgia",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3= _16_0_ym19_1_1513829730229_17428"><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bott= om:12.0pt;background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Ti= mes New Roman",serif'>conveying information to and within a development&nbs= p;</span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'><o:p>= </o:p></span></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513829730229_17430"><p= class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span st= yle=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>team is face-t= o-face conversation</span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geor= gia",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'= margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font= -family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> </span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0p= t;font-family:"Georgia",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><= div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><s= pan style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>On Wednesday,= December 20, 2017 11:18 PM, "<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"><span= style=3D'font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>[email protected]</span></a><span= class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>[SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]" <<a= href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"><span style=3D'font-famil= y:"Verdana",sans-serif'>[email protected]</span></a>> wro= te:</span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'><o:p= ></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;= background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",s= ans-serif'> </span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgi= a",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div id=3Dyiv3227076803><div><p class= =3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style=3D= 'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> <span class=3Da= pple-converted-space> </span></span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;fo= nt-family:"Georgia",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3Dyiv3227076803ygr= p-mlmsg><div id=3Dyiv3227076803ygrp-msg><div id=3Dyiv3227076803ygrp-text><d= iv><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><sp= an style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>My apologi= es Scott - I misread your 'I am doing Agile wrong' message as being from Al= an.</span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'><o:p= ></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12= ..0pt;background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helveti= ca",sans-serif'> </span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"G= eorgia",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style= =3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;= font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>This thread was started by Michael show= ing us the job spec for a Scrum Master that severely breaks the advice and = guidance given in the Scrum Guide.</span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;fo= nt-family:"Georgia",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoN= ormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style=3D'font-s= ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> </span><span style=3D'= font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><= div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><s= pan style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Now, anyb= ody is free to do whatever they like (within the law of course) but why wou= ld accompany or person want to call someone or themselves if they are not f= ollowing the Scrum Guide.</span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family= :"Georgia",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal sty= le=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0p= t;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> </span><span style=3D'font-size= :10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p cl= ass=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style= =3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>To be facetious fo= r a moment, if you were a dentist, do you think it acceptable to apply for = a brain surgeon job? After all, both jobs are medical and to do with = bits of the head!</span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgi= a",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'ma= rgin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-f= amily:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> </span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;= font-family:"Georgia",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMs= oNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style=3D'font= -size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>And you never answered my = question about where you have read that Agile means all the team = is in the same room.</span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geo= rgia",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class= =3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style=3D= 'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> </span><span st= yle=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p>= </div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style= =3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Aria= l",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div sty= le=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:1= 0.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div>= </div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p>= </p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:white'><o:p>= </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <br> <br> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color: white; 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