Re: Re: Honestly Curious
"srinivas chillara [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]" <[email protected]> Sun, 25 Feb 2018 06:48:54 +0000 (UTC)
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You all remind me of Diogenes looking for an honest man. We are setting the=
bar very high.....The worry is that large number of ScrumMasters are SAFel=
y third-rate.
Maybe women have a better shot at being evolved and effective SMs!(oh I'm f=
rom India, so not bothered to be PC in most things, not many holy cows aye?=
).
cheersSrinivas
From: "Dan Greening [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]" <SCRUMDEVELO=
[email protected]>
To: [email protected]=20
Sent: Sunday, 25 February 2018 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] Re: Honestly Curious
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=C2=A0 All the research I=E2=80=99ve been doing lately, to motivate agili=
ty, has been in chaos theory, positive psychology, statistics and economics=
.. So...uh...I think we=E2=80=99re going to have a hard time finding the =E2=
=80=9Ccorrect=E2=80=9D academic background. I do have a computer science ba=
ckground, but honestly I think Scrum is for creative teams of all sorts.
Dan
On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 8:18 PM Alan Dayley [email protected] [SCRUMDE=
VELOPMENT] <[email protected]> wrote:
=C2=A0 Think about writing a job description for a Scrum Master. You dec=
ide that candidates must have a Bachelor's Degree in order to qualify. What=
courses of study, what degrees would be most beneficial to the work of a S=
crum Master? I don't think computer science or mathematics or various engin=
eering degrees are the answer.=C2=A0
I have known many excellent Scrum Masters who have come from project manage=
ment backgrounds. A few have come from marketing or business backgrounds. M=
any have come from technical fields, too.
Alan
On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 2:54 PM, [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMEN=
T] <[email protected]> wrote:
=C2=A0 Excellent question, Michael. I used to think =E2=80=94decades int=
o my past=E2=80=94 that =E2=80=9Cthe only way=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94careful! Bi=
gotry alarms at full capacity here=E2=80=94 somebody could ever know and ev=
er teach about something is by the sole means of direct experience. Period.=
Simple. End of discussion.
Nowadays, =E2=80=94since about 28 years ago=E2=80=94, I reflect that the su=
bject matter of knowing and the subject matter of being able to teach or he=
lp others turned out to be not that simple. And the discussion is wide open=
, and the debate keeps very active among authorities on those subject matte=
rs.
There are cases where somebody can, in fact, learn a lot from the experienc=
es reported by others and by pure sheer thought based on sound theoretical =
schemes. So, now I think that a fully functional Scrum Master =E2=80=94or a=
nybody, for that matter=E2=80=94 can, in fact, help others effectively with=
out the sole means of direct experience.
Does it make sense?
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i_3_16_0_ym19_1_1519536837830_21639">You all remind me of Diogenes looking =
for an honest man. We are setting the bar very high.....</div><div id=3D"yu=
i_3_16_0_ym19_1_1519536837830_21719">The worry is that large number of Scru=
mMasters are SAFely third-rate.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_151953683=
7830_21778"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1519536837830_21638" dir=
=3D"ltr">Maybe women have a better shot at being evolved and effective SMs!=
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from India, so not bothered to be PC in most things, not many holy cows ay=
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id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1519536837830_21696">cheers</div><div id=3D"yui_3_1=
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1"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "Dan Greening dan=
@greening.org [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]" <[email protected]><=
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>Subject:</span></b> Re: [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] Re: Honestly Curious<br> </font=
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<div></div><div><div>All the research I=E2=80=99ve been doing lately,=
to motivate agility, has been in chaos theory, positive psychology, statis=
tics and economics. So...uh...I think we=E2=80=99re going to have a hard ti=
me finding the =E2=80=9Ccorrect=E2=80=9D academic background. I do have a c=
omputer science background, but honestly I think Scrum is for creative team=
s of all sorts.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Dan</div><br clear=
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0073"><div class=3D"yiv8282183425gmail_quote"><div>On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at =
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"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">SCRUMDEVELOPMENT@=
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<div></div><div>Think about writing a job description for a Scrum Mas=
ter. You decide that candidates must have a Bachelor's Degree in order to q=
ualify. What courses of study, what degrees would be most beneficial to the=
work of a Scrum Master? I don't think computer science or mathematics or v=
arious engineering degrees are the answer. <div><br clear=3D"none"></d=
iv><div>I have known many excellent Scrum Masters who have come from projec=
t management backgrounds. A few have come from marketing or business backgr=
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mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> [SCRUMDEVE=
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<div><span></span></div><div>Excellent question, Michael. I used to t=
hink =E2=80=94decades into my past=E2=80=94 that =E2=80=9Cthe only way=E2=
=80=9D =E2=80=94careful! Bigotry alarms at full capacity here=E2=80=94 some=
body could ever know and ever teach about something is by the sole means of=
direct experience. Period. Simple. End of discussion.</div><div><br clear=
=3D"none">Nowadays, =E2=80=94since about 28 years ago=E2=80=94, I reflect t=
hat the subject matter of knowing and the subject matter of being able to t=
each or help others turned out to be not that simple. And the discussion is=
wide open, and the debate keeps very active among authorities on those sub=
ject matters.</div><div><br clear=3D"none">There are cases where somebody c=
an, in fact, learn a lot from the experiences reported by others and by pur=
e sheer thought based on sound theoretical schemes. So, now I think that a =
fully functional Scrum Master =E2=80=94or anybody, for that matter=E2=80=94=
can, in fact, help others effectively without the sole means of direct exp=
erience.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Does it make sense?<br cla=
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