Re: Re: Honestly Curious
"Dan Greening [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]" <[email protected]> Sun, 25 Feb 2018 06:25:52 +0000
| Newsgroups | gmane.comp.programming.scrum.general |
|---|---|
| Message-ID | <CAH95UyAmbOdoe+GiH+BLQ4+==jnWHe2janMVhBN_HSZBCVC5Gg@mail.gmail.com> |
--001a1147837ec4853e05660377e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All the research I=E2=80=99ve been doing lately, to motivate agility, has b= een in chaos theory, positive psychology, statistics and economics. So...uh...I think we=E2=80=99re going to have a hard time finding the =E2=80=9Ccorrect= =E2=80=9D academic background. I do have a computer science background, but honestly I think Scrum is for creative teams of all sorts. Dan On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 8:18 PM Alan Dayley [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Think about writing a job description for a Scrum Master. You decide that > candidates must have a Bachelor's Degree in order to qualify. What course= s > of study, what degrees would be most beneficial to the work of a Scrum > Master? I don't think computer science or mathematics or various > engineering degrees are the answer. > > I have known many excellent Scrum Masters who have come from project > management backgrounds. A few have come from marketing or business > backgrounds. Many have come from technical fields, too. > > Alan > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 2:54 PM, [email protected] > [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Excellent question, Michael. I used to think =E2=80=94decades into my pa= st=E2=80=94 that >> =E2=80=9Cthe only way=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94careful! Bigotry alarms at full = capacity here=E2=80=94 somebody >> could ever know and ever teach about something is by the sole means of >> direct experience. Period. Simple. End of discussion. >> >> >> Nowadays, =E2=80=94since about 28 years ago=E2=80=94, I reflect that the= subject matter >> of knowing and the subject matter of being able to teach or help others >> turned out to be not that simple. And the discussion is wide open, and t= he >> debate keeps very active among authorities on those subject matters. >> >> >> There are cases where somebody can, in fact, learn a lot from the >> experiences reported by others and by pure sheer thought based on sound >> theoretical schemes. So, now I think that a fully functional Scrum Maste= r >> =E2=80=94or anybody, for that matter=E2=80=94 can, in fact, help others = effectively without >> the sole means of direct experience. >> >> >> Does it make sense? >> >> >=20 > --=20 Dan R. Greening =E2=80=94 http://dan.greening.org http://linkedin.com/in/g= reening --001a1147837ec4853e05660377e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <head> <style type=3D"text/css"> <!-- /* start of attachment style */ .ygrp-photo-title{ clear: both; font-size: smaller; height: 15px; overflow: hidden; text-align: center; width: 75px; } div.ygrp-photo{ background-position: center; background-repeat: no-repeat; background-color: white; border: 1px solid black; height: 62px; width: 62px; } div.photo-title=20 a, div.photo-title a:active, div.photo-title a:hover, div.photo-title a:visited { text-decoration: none;=20 } div.attach-table div.attach-row { clear: both; } div.attach-table div.attach-row div { float: left; /* margin: 2px;*/ } p { clear: both; padding: 15px 0 3px 0; overflow: hidden; } div.ygrp-file { width: 30px; valign: middle; } div.attach-table div.attach-row div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table div.attach-row div div span { font-weight: normal; } div.ygrp-file-title { font-weight: bold; } /* end of attachment style */ --> </style> </head> <html> <head> <style type=3D"text/css"> <!-- #ygrp-mkp { border: 1px solid #d8d8d8; font-family: Arial; margin: 10px 0; padding: 0 10px; } #ygrp-mkp hr { border: 1px solid #d8d8d8; } #ygrp-mkp #hd { color: #628c2a; font-size: 85%; font-weight: 700; line-height: 122%; margin: 10px 0; } #ygrp-mkp #ads { margin-bottom: 10px; } #ygrp-mkp .ad { padding: 0 0; } #ygrp-mkp .ad p { margin: 0; } #ygrp-mkp .ad a { color: #0000ff; text-decoration: none; } --> </style> </head> <body> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <br><br> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <div><div dir=3D"auto">All the research I=E2=80=99ve been doing lately, to = motivate agility, has been in chaos theory, positive psychology, statistics= and economics. So...uh...I think we=E2=80=99re going to have a hard time f= inding the =E2=80=9Ccorrect=E2=80=9D academic background. I do have a compu= ter science background, but honestly I think Scrum is for creative teams of= all sorts.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Dan</div><br= ><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 8:18 PM Alan Dayle= y <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> [SCR= UMDEVELOPMENT] <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">SCRU= [email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g= mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l= eft:1ex"> <u></u> =20 <div style=3D"background-color:#fff"> <span style=3D"display:none">=C2=A0</span> <div id=3D"m_7509467136458422353ygrp-mlmsg"> <div id=3D"m_7509467136458422353ygrp-msg"> <div id=3D"m_7509467136458422353ygrp-text"> =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p></p><div>Think about writing a job description for a Scrum Master.= You decide that candidates must have a Bachelor's Degree in order to q= ualify. What courses of study, what degrees would be most beneficial to the= work of a Scrum Master? I don't think computer science or mathematics = or various engineering degrees are the answer.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>I h= ave known many excellent Scrum Masters who have come from project managemen= t backgrounds. A few have come from marketing or business backgrounds. Many= have come from technical fields, too.</div><div><br></div><div>Alan</div><= div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot= e">On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 2:54 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:marcodorantes@hotmail= ..com" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a> [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] <s= pan><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blan= k">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl= ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px #ccc solid"> <u></u> =20 <div style=3D"background-color:#fff"> <span>=C2=A0</span> <div id=3D"m_7509467136458422353m_-5723432152935198145ygrp-mlmsg"> <div id=3D"m_7509467136458422353m_-5723432152935198145ygrp-msg"> <div id=3D"m_7509467136458422353m_-5723432152935198145ygrp-text"> =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p><span></span></p><p>Excellent question, Michael. I used to think = =E2=80=94decades into my past=E2=80=94 that =E2=80=9Cthe only way=E2=80=9D = =E2=80=94careful! Bigotry alarms at full capacity here=E2=80=94 somebody co= uld ever know and ever teach about something is by the sole means of direct= experience. Period. Simple. End of discussion.</p><p><br>Nowadays, =E2=80= =94since about 28 years ago=E2=80=94, I reflect that the subject matter of = knowing and the subject matter of being able to teach or help others turned= out to be not that simple. And the discussion is wide open, and the debate= keeps very active among authorities on those subject matters.</p><p><br>Th= ere are cases where somebody can, in fact, learn a lot from the experiences= reported by others and by pure sheer thought based on sound theoretical sc= hemes. So, now I think that a fully functional Scrum Master =E2=80=94or any= body, for that matter=E2=80=94 can, in fact, help others effectively withou= t the sole means of direct experience.</p><p><br></p><p>Does it make sense?= <br class=3D"m_7509467136458422353m_-5723432152935198145yui-cursor"></p><p>= </p> </div> =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 <div style=3D"color:#fff;height:0"></div> </div> =20=20 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> <p></p> </div> =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 <div style=3D"color:#fff;height:0"></div> </div> =20=20 </blockquote></div></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" = data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Dan R. Greening = =E2=80=94=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://dan.greening.org" target=3D"_blank">http:/= /dan.greening.org</a><span style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px">=C2=A0=C2= =A0<a href=3D"http://linkedin.com/in/greening" target=3D"_blank">http://lin= kedin.com/in/greening</a></span></div></div></div> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <br> <br> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color: white; clear: both;"/>__._,_.___</div> =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 <div id=3D"fromDMARC" style=3D"clear:both; margin-top: 10px;"> <hr style=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; backgroun= d-color:#E3E3E3;"> Posted by: Dan Greening <[email protected]> <hr style= =3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; background-color:#E3E3E3;"> </div> <!-- Start Recommendations --> <!-- End Recommendations --> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <br><br> <tt> To Post a message, send it to: [email protected]<BR> To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: SCRUMDEVELOPMENT-unsubscribe@eGrou= ps.com</tt> <br><br> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <img src=3D"http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=3D97476590/grpId=3D1569064/grpspI= d=3D1705007709/msgId=3D58806/stime=3D1519539969" width=3D"1" height=3D"1"> = <br> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> =20=20 <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <br> =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20 <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id=3D"ygrp-vital" style=3D"background-color: #f2f2f2; font-fam= ily: Verdana; font-size: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding: 10px;"> <span id=3D"vithd" style=3D"font-weight: bold; color: #333; text-tr= ansform: uppercase; "><a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCRUMD= EVELOPMENT/info;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJlMmxqNWNhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NjkwNjQE= Z3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTUxOTUzOTk2Nw--" s= tyle=3D"text-decoration: none;">Visit Your Group</a></span> <ul style=3D"list-style-type: none; margin: 0; padding: 0; display: in= line;"> </ul> </div> <div id=3D"ft" style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 11px; margin-top: 5p= x; padding: 0 2px 0 0; clear: both;"> <a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJkbm1hcWt2BF9TAzk3ND= c2NTkwBGdycElkAzE1NjkwNjQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzd= GltZQMxNTE5NTM5OTY5" style=3D"float: left;"><img src=3D"http://l.yimg.com/r= u/static/images/yg/img/email/new_logo/logo-groups-137x15.png" height=3D"15"= width=3D"137" alt=3D"Yahoo! Groups" style=3D"border: 0;"/></a> <div style=3D"color: #747575; float: right;"> • <a href=3D"https://i= nfo.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html" style=3D"text-decoratio= n: none;">Privacy</a> • <a href=3D"mailto:SCRUMDEVELOPMENT-unsubscribe= @yahoogroups.com?subject=3DUnsubscribe" style=3D"text-decoration: none;">Un= subscribe</a> • <a href=3D"https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/= terms/" style=3D"text-decoration: none;">Terms of Use</a> </div> </div> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> </div> <!-- ygrp-msg --> =20=20=20 <br> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <div style=3D"color: white; clear: both;"/>__,_._,___</div> </body> </html> --001a1147837ec4853e05660377e9--