Re: Re: Honestly Curious
"Michael Wollin [email protected] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]" <[email protected]> Sat, 24 Feb 2018 21:14:36 -0800
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--Apple-Mail=_3DCAFF3F-952A-4D04-A707-1A11796E9567 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Beautiful said, Alan.=20 > On Feb 24, 2018, at 9:00 PM, Alan Dayley [email protected] [SCRUMDEV= ELOPMENT] <[email protected]> wrote: >=20 > I wasn't clear with my little bit about a required degree. I am sorry. In= stating what degree would be good for a Scrum Master I was trying to indic= ate that a technical degree was not a better fit for the work of a Scrum Ma= ster. Therefore, technical skills are also not required for the work of a S= crum Master. >=20 > To tell a true tale: >=20 > Years ago I met an amazing project manager on a team of volunteers for a = big community event. This person was the project manager for the team. They= made charts, spreadsheets and detailed time lines. They pushed people for = results, often pushing too hard and creating frustration for themselves and= others.=20 >=20 > I got to know them better, learning that they were trained in marketing b= ut had been a project manager for IT teams for some years. They had several= certifications from PMI. As they learned I was a Scrum Master and then Agi= le Coach, they asked me questions. How did planning work if you didn't plan= everything up front? How do you get people to do things if the self-organi= ze? And so on. >=20 > Over the years they began to apply some Agile and Scrum ideas to their wo= rk and the teams at their work. They began to see results. I pointed them t= o books, like Coaching Agile Teams and Agile Estimating and Planning. They = devoured these books, often messaging me about difficulties and successes. = One day they report that one team agreed to go "full Agile" as an experimen= t. In less than a year that team, with this person as Scrum Master, became = the most productive and valuable in their organization. This led to the per= son teaching classes, getting Agile training and moving the entire IT depar= tment toward Agile ways of working. >=20 > This very person is now an Enterprise Agile Coach at a large financial se= rvices company. They are certified in teaching several Agile frameworks and= as a coach in the same. They are happier at work than they ever had been. = This person had no professional programming experience. They simply were go= od at the people side of things. And they had the discipline to learn and g= row in a new direction. >=20 > "How does one who hasn=E2=80=99t done it know what it=E2=80=99s like to a= ppreciate the sweet elegance of a well crafted piece of code and live as a = craftsman, while working under schedule pressure and perhaps in unsupportiv= e physical surroundings?" >=20 > People who don't code can create well crafted other things and live as a = craftsman in their own sphere. It is not only technical people who feel sch= edule pressure and unsupportive surroundings. As long as someone is able to= see the similarities in experiences of different work, I think they can be= helpful to those with skills other than their own. >=20 > "Certainly one can do a lot if one takes to heart the people they serve. = And that quality is barely correlated with career path." >=20 > Yes, I agree wholeheartedly! --Apple-Mail=_3DCAFF3F-952A-4D04-A707-1A11796E9567 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <head> <style type=3D"text/css"> <!-- /* start of attachment style */ .ygrp-photo-title{ clear: both; font-size: smaller; height: 15px; overflow: hidden; text-align: center; width: 75px; } div.ygrp-photo{ background-position: center; background-repeat: no-repeat; background-color: white; border: 1px solid black; height: 62px; width: 62px; } div.photo-title=20 a, div.photo-title a:active, div.photo-title a:hover, div.photo-title a:visited { text-decoration: none;=20 } div.attach-table div.attach-row { clear: both; } div.attach-table div.attach-row div { float: left; /* margin: 2px;*/ } p { clear: both; padding: 15px 0 3px 0; overflow: hidden; } div.ygrp-file { width: 30px; valign: middle; } div.attach-table div.attach-row div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table div.attach-row div div span { font-weight: normal; } div.ygrp-file-title { font-weight: bold; } /* end of attachment style */ --> </style> </head> <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset= =3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: s= pace; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <br><br> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> Beautiful said, Alan. <br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote t= ype=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Feb 24, 2018, at 9:00 PM, Alan D= ayley <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class=3D"">alandd@dayleyagi= le.com</a> [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] <<a href=3D"mailto:SCRUMDEVELOPMENT@yahoog= roups.com" class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div>= <br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font= -family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: n= ormal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text= -indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;= -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); floa= t: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">I wasn't clear with my lit= tle bit about a required degree. I am sorry. In stating what degree would b= e good for a Scrum Master I was trying to indicate that a technical degree = was not a better fit for the work of a Scrum Master. Therefore, technical s= kills are also not required for the work of a Scrum Master.</span><div styl= e=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; font-style= : normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: n= ormal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-spa= ce: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">= <br style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D""></div><div style=3D"line-heig= ht: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font= -variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-al= ign: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; wo= rd-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">To tell a true= tale:</div><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia; font-s= ize: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: norm= al; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-trans= form: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-wid= th: 0px;" class=3D""><br style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D""></div><d= iv style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; fon= t-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spa= cing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; wh= ite-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" clas= s=3D"">Years ago I met an amazing project manager on a team of volunteers f= or a big community event. This person was the project manager for the team.= They made charts, spreadsheets and detailed time lines. They pushed people= for results, often pushing too hard and creating frustration for themselve= s and others. </div><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Ge= orgia; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font= -weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0p= x; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-te= xt-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><br style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class= =3D""></div><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia; font-s= ize: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: norm= al; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-trans= form: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-wid= th: 0px;" class=3D"">I got to know them better, learning that they were tra= ined in marketing but had been a project manager for IT teams for some year= s. They had several certifications from PMI. As they learned I was a Scrum = Master and then Agile Coach, they asked me questions. How did planning work= if you didn't plan everything up front? How do you get people to do things= if the self-organize? And so on.</div><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; f= ont-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps= : normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; t= ext-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0= px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><br style=3D"line-height: 1= ..22em;" class=3D""></div><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Ge= orgia; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font= -weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0p= x; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-te= xt-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">Over the years they began to apply some A= gile and Scrum ideas to their work and the teams at their work. They began = to see results. I pointed them to books, like Coaching Agile Teams and Agil= e Estimating and Planning. They devoured these books, often messaging me ab= out difficulties and successes. One day they report that one team agreed to= go "full Agile" as an experiment. In less than a year that team, with this= person as Scrum Master, became the most productive and valuable in their o= rganization. This led to the person teaching classes, getting Agile trainin= g and moving the entire IT department toward Agile ways of working.</div><d= iv style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; fon= t-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spa= cing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; wh= ite-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" clas= s=3D""><br style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D""></div><div style=3D"li= ne-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; font-style: norma= l; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: nor= mal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">This ve= ry person is now an Enterprise Agile Coach at a large financial services co= mpany. They are certified in teaching several Agile frameworks and as a coa= ch in the same. They are happier at work than they ever had been. This pers= on had no professional programming experience. They simply were good at the= people side of things. And they had the discipline to learn and grow in a = new direction.</div><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia= ; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weig= ht: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; te= xt-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-st= roke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><br style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D"">= </div><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 1= 3px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; le= tter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: = none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0p= x;" class=3D"">"<span style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);= font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px; font-style: normal; fon= t-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;= text-transform: none; white-space: normal;" class=3D"">How does one who ha= sn=E2=80=99t done it know what it=E2=80=99s like to appreciate the sweet el= egance of a well crafted piece of code and live as a craftsman, while worki= ng under schedule pressure and perhaps in unsupportive physical surrounding= s?"</span></div><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia; fo= nt-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-t= ransform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke= -width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; color: rgb(34,= 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px; font-style: no= rmal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-ind= ent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;" class=3D""><br style= =3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D""></span></div><div style=3D"line-height= : 1.22em; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-v= ariant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-alig= n: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word= -spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"l= ine-height: 1.22em; font-size: 12.8px;" class=3D"">People who don't code ca= n create well crafted other things and live as a craftsman in their own sph= ere. It is not only technical people who feel schedule pressure and unsuppo= rtive surroundings. As long as someone is able to see the similarities in e= xperiences of different work, I think they can be helpful to those with ski= lls other than their own.</span></div><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; fo= nt-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:= normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; te= xt-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0p= x; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"line-height: = 1.22em; font-size: 12.8px;" class=3D""><br style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" c= lass=3D""></span></div><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Geor= gia; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-w= eight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;= text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text= -stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-si= ze: 12.8px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; color: rgb(34, = 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px; font-style: nor= mal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-inde= nt: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;" class=3D"">"Certainly = one can do a lot if one takes to heart the people they serve. And that qual= ity is barely correlated with career path."</span></span></div><div style= =3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; font-style:= normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: no= rmal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-spac= e: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><= span style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 12.8px;" class=3D""><span sty= le=3D"line-height: 1.22em; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans= -serif; font-size: 12.8px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spa= cing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; wh= ite-space: normal;" class=3D""><br style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D"= "></span></span></div><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georg= ia; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-we= ight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-= stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-siz= e: 12.8px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; color: rgb(34, 3= 4, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px; font-style: norm= al; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-inden= t: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;" class=3D"">Yes, I agree= wholeheartedly!</span></span></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""= > <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <br> <br> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color: white; clear: both;"/>__._,_.___</div> =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 <div id=3D"fromDMARC" style=3D"clear:both; margin-top: 10px;"> <hr style=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; backgroun= d-color:#E3E3E3;"> Posted by: Michael Wollin <[email protected]> <hr = style=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; background-color:#E3E3= E3;"> </div> <!-- Start Recommendations --> <!-- End Recommendations --> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <br><br> <tt> To Post a message, send it to: [email protected]<BR> To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: SCRUMDEVELOPMENT-unsubscribe@eGrou= ps.com</tt> <br><br> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <img src=3D"http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=3D97476590/grpId=3D1569064/grpspI= d=3D1705007709/msgId=3D58805/stime=3D1519535677" width=3D"1" height=3D"1"> = <br> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> =20=20=20=20 <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <br> =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20 <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id=3D"ygrp-vital" style=3D"background-color: #f2f2f2; font-fam= ily: Verdana; font-size: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding: 10px;"> <span id=3D"vithd" style=3D"font-weight: bold; color: #333; text-tr= ansform: uppercase; "><a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SCRUMD= EVELOPMENT/info;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJlMTBzcmtsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NjkwNjQE= Z3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTUxOTUzNTY3Mw--" s= tyle=3D"text-decoration: none;">Visit Your Group</a></span> <ul style=3D"list-style-type: none; margin: 0; padding: 0; display: in= line;"> </ul> </div> <div id=3D"ft" style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 11px; margin-top: 5p= x; padding: 0 2px 0 0; clear: both;"> <a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJkNmY3bnVrBF9TAzk3ND= c2NTkwBGdycElkAzE1NjkwNjQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzd= GltZQMxNTE5NTM1Njc3" style=3D"float: left;"><img src=3D"http://l.yimg.com/r= u/static/images/yg/img/email/new_logo/logo-groups-137x15.png" height=3D"15"= width=3D"137" alt=3D"Yahoo! 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