RE: my two pennies

"Kent Beck" <[email protected]> Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:48:47 -0800
Newsgroups gmane.comp.programming.software-in-process
Organization Three Rivers Institute
Message-ID <005f01c2bcc6$bdaa0d20$0201000a@KentsT30>
Late specification is absolutely part of lowering SIP. That's how
LifeWare gets their SIP so low--they know the general shape of all the
optional workflows in life insurance contract management, so they aren't
afraid to leave detailed specification and implementation until the
first time a workflow is used for a particular client.
 
Re: frequent releases of web apps. I've seen lots of fear about "at the
expense of usability", but my experience of Google, to pick an exemplar,
is that I actually appreciate new releases.
 
Kent

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Subject: [SIP] my two pennies


Hiall,

Frank Westphal pointed me to this group. I like the draft very much, 
especially the "personal" SIP. I'll try to come up with some SIP 
measures of our current projects - big ones and small ones. 

It appears to me that lowering SIP cannot only be achieved by 
delivering early, but also by specifying late. Can I bring it to 
zero by omitting specification at all? (I guess I misunderstood the 
concept as I remember projects that would acutally have a negative 
number, then. :-))

Concerning the issue of distribution and rollout costs I had a short 
conversation with Pete McBreen following up some claims he make 
in "Questioning XP". Maybe the quoted mail is helpful for some of 
you.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dierk Koenig [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Mittwoch, 11. Dezember 2002 18:29
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: questioning xp
> 
> 
> Hi Pete,
> 
> I've read your excellent book as well as "software craftsmanship" 
> and again enjoyed your pragmatic (read non-dogmatic) style.
> 
> On page 125 you talk about costs of a release, pointing out that 
> a web application possibly has low enough costs but at the 
> expense of usability.
> Please allow me to point you at
> http://www.canoo.com/ulc
> a technology that allows
> - distribution and deployment characateristics like servlets
> - GUI like Swing
> - programming model like a Java standalone application
> 
> I must admit that this is our product, so you may see this mail 
> as being inappropriate. Anyway, I think that you as a 
> professional see value in knowing what's available.
> 
> happy programming
> Dierk König







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