Re: [testdrivendevelopment] "I think the community needs more explicit direction...."
"Edwin Castro" <[email protected]> Mon, 25 Nov 2019 09:40:42 -0800
| Newsgroups | gmane.comp.programming.test-driven-development |
|---|---|
| Message-ID | <CAPzjCSzjEkOMZDUswtz0Eswng8bg+j834hNpMmNG_WbLsPhDyg@mail.gmail.com> |
--000000000000ea821b05982f43e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Yes, but I still see a lot of resistance to pairing. Code reviews are much more accepted. -- Edwin G. Castro On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:27 AM Steve Gordon <[email protected]> wrote: > Wouldn't pairing with them work better than code reviews? If not, why not? > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 10:16 AM Avi Kessner <[email protected]> wrote: > >> We hire a lot of developers straight out of school or working less than 3 >> years. >> >> From what I have seen, TDD is viewed as a skill used on Greenfield >> projects, and refactoring is seen as something you do with legacy code. >> (And still gets confused with 'throw it away and start over') >> >> I have to have more than one code review with them until it clicks that >> you do both together, always. >> >> > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#35774): https://groups.io/g/testdrivendevelopment/message/35774 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/61850834/3268755 Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/testdrivendevelopment/leave/6156322/744556386/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --000000000000ea821b05982f43e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, but I still see a lot of resistance to pairing. Code = reviews are much more accepted.<div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Edwin G. Ca= stro</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"l= tr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:27 AM Steve Gordon <<= a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<= br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e= x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"= ><div>Wouldn't pairing with them work better than code reviews?=C2=A0 I= f not, why not?</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class= =3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 10:16 AM Avi Kessner <<a href= =3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>>= ; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px= 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div di= r=3D"auto">We hire a lot of developers straight out of school or working le= ss than 3 years.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">From what I h= ave seen, TDD is viewed as a skill used on Greenfield projects, and refacto= ring is seen as something you do with legacy code. (And still gets confused= with 'throw it away and start over')</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></= div><div dir=3D"auto">I have to have more than one code review with them un= til it clicks that you do both together, always.</div></div><div class=3D"g= mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"><br></div></div> <p></p><p></p></blockquote></div></div> <p></p><p></p></blockquote></div> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> <hr> Groups.io Links:<p> You receive all messages sent to this group. <p> <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/g/testdrivendevelopment/mes= sage/35774">View/Reply Online (#35774)</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subj= ect=3DRe:%20Re%3A%20%5Btestdrivendevelopment%5D%20%22I%20think%20the%20comm= unity%20needs%20more%20explicit%20direction....%22">Reply To Group</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3DPriv= ate:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Btestdrivendevelopment%5D%20%22I%20think%20the%20com= munity%20needs%20more%20explicit%20direction....%22">Reply To Sender</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/mt/61850834/3268755">Mu= te This Topic</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/testdrivendevelopment/post">New Topic</a>= <br> <br> <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/testdrivendevelopment/editsub/3268755">Your= Subscription</a> | <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">Contact Group Own= er</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/testdrivendevelopment/leave/6156322/7445563= 86/xyzzy">Unsubscribe</a> [[email protected]]<br> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> --000000000000ea821b05982f43e8--