Re: [testdrivendevelopment] "I think the community needs more explicit direction...."
"Steve Gordon" <[email protected]> Mon, 25 Nov 2019 11:22:20 -0700
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--000000000000d2e84705982fd8c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 11:07 AM Edwin Castro <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Or perhaps we just don't do enough teaching design prior to the workforce. > Should we solve problems in school? Yes, we learn from trying things out > and failing and trying again. But should we have problems to solve or > solutions to design to meet certain criteria? The difference might be > subtle and students who have spent their entire K-12 learning career mostly > memorizing facts and solving math problems with single answers will always > find it easier to "solve a problem" rather than design a solution. > > -- > Edwin G. Castro > > When I was a professor, all I taught was problem solving. Students hated it because they could not just memorize terms for my tests, and the student evaluations reflected it. Grading also took a lot of time away from research because unlike my fellow professor's multiple choice tests, I actually had to read my student's solutions. It was a lose-lose for my academic career. The invention of the automatically graded, multiple-choice test is what lead to the slow erosion of American education. Not everything should be automated. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#35782): https://groups.io/g/testdrivendevelopment/message/35782 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/61850834/3268755 Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/testdrivendevelopment/leave/6156322/744556386/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --000000000000d2e84705982fd8c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">= <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 11:07 AM Edwi= n Castro <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>>= wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px = 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir= = =3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br></= div><div>Or perhaps we just don't do enough teaching design prior to th= e workforce. Should we solve problems in school? Yes, we learn from trying = things out and failing and trying again. But should we have problems to sol= ve or solutions to design to meet certain criteria? The difference might be= subtle and students who have spent their entire K-12 learning career mostl= y memorizing facts and solving math problems with single answers will alway= s find it easier to "solve a problem" rather than design a soluti= on.</div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Edwin G. Castro</div><div><br></d= iv></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>When I was a professor, all= I taught was problem solving.=C2=A0 Students hated it because they could n= ot just memorize terms for my tests, and the student evaluations reflected = it.=C2=A0 Grading also took a lot of time away from research because unlike= my fellow professor's multiple choice tests, I actually had to read my= student's solutions.=C2=A0 It was a lose-lose for my academic career.= =C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>The invention of the automatically g= raded, multiple-choice test is what lead to the slow erosion of American ed= ucation.=C2=A0 Not everything should be automated.</div><div><br></div><div= ><br></div></div></div> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> <hr> Groups.io Links:<p> You receive all messages sent to this group. <p> <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/g/testdrivendevelopment/mes= sage/35782">View/Reply Online (#35782)</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subj= ect=3DRe:%20Re%3A%20%5Btestdrivendevelopment%5D%20%22I%20think%20the%20comm= unity%20needs%20more%20explicit%20direction....%22">Reply To Group</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3DP= rivate:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Btestdrivendevelopment%5D%20%22I%20think%20the%20= community%20needs%20more%20explicit%20direction....%22">Reply To Sender</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/mt/61850834/3268755">Mu= te This Topic</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/testdrivendevelopment/post">New Topic</a>= <br> <br> <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/testdrivendevelopment/editsub/3268755">Your= Subscription</a> | <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">Contact Group Own= er</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/testdrivendevelopment/leave/6156322/7445563= 86/xyzzy">Unsubscribe</a> [[email protected]]<br> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> --000000000000d2e84705982fd8c0--