Re: [testdrivendevelopment] "I think the community needs more explicit direction...."

"Steve Gordon" <[email protected]> Mon, 25 Nov 2019 11:22:20 -0700
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On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 11:07 AM Edwin Castro <[email protected]> wrote:

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> Or perhaps we just don't do enough teaching design prior to the workforce.
> Should we solve problems in school? Yes, we learn from trying things out
> and failing and trying again. But should we have problems to solve or
> solutions to design to meet certain criteria? The difference might be
> subtle and students who have spent their entire K-12 learning career mostly
> memorizing facts and solving math problems with single answers will always
> find it easier to "solve a problem" rather than design a solution.
>
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> Edwin G. Castro
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When I was a professor, all I taught was problem solving.  Students hated
it because they could not just memorize terms for my tests, and the student
evaluations reflected it.  Grading also took a lot of time away from
research because unlike my fellow professor's multiple choice tests, I
actually had to read my student's solutions.  It was a lose-lose for my
academic career.

The invention of the automatically graded, multiple-choice test is what
lead to the slow erosion of American education.  Not everything should be
automated.

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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 11:07 AM Edwi=
n Castro &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt;=
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div><div>Or perhaps we just don&#39;t do enough teaching design prior to th=
e workforce. Should we solve problems in school? Yes, we learn from trying =
things out and failing and trying again. But should we have problems to sol=
ve or solutions to design to meet certain criteria? The difference might be=
 subtle and students who have spent their entire K-12 learning career mostl=
y memorizing facts and solving math problems with single answers will alway=
s find it easier to &quot;solve a problem&quot; rather than design a soluti=
on.</div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Edwin G. Castro</div><div><br></d=
iv></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>When I was a professor, all=
 I taught was problem solving.=C2=A0 Students hated it because they could n=
ot just memorize terms for my tests, and the student evaluations reflected =
it.=C2=A0 Grading also took a lot of time away from research because unlike=
 my fellow professor&#39;s multiple choice tests, I actually had to read my=
 student&#39;s solutions.=C2=A0 It was a lose-lose for my academic career.=
=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>The invention of the automatically g=
raded, multiple-choice test is what lead to the slow erosion of American ed=
ucation.=C2=A0 Not everything should be automated.</div><div><br></div><div=
><br></div></div></div>

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