Re: [TFUI] Abbot and TDD, was: Is test driven UI development conceptually different?

OK, I was wrong.  I guess Timothy Wall was justified in making a snide
comment because I used a different tool, though looking at
http://abbot.sourceforge.net/doc/RELNOTES.html it appears that Abbot
wasn't released at the time.  In any event, when I first heard about it,
I was under the impression that it was intended for record/playback, and
mentions in the older release notes make it sound like record/playback
was an early goal.

I'll shut up now and let you and Timothy describe *your* experiences in
TDD of GUIs.

 - George

On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 02:23:23PM -0400, Thomas L Roche wrote:
> George Dinwiddie Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:42:36 -0400
> > Abbot is a record/playback GUI test framework.
> 
> Umm ... depending on your meaning, you're either wrong or unclear. 
> 
> The core of Abbot
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/abbot
> 
> is just API for GUI automation and interrogation: it
> allows you to (logically, unlike j.a.Robot) create native events "on"
> UI widgets and to check their state. One can use that API "purely"
> from JUnit or <your favorite Java test framework here>. (There is
> already a Abbot plugin for Maven
> 
> http://maven.apache.org/reference/plugins/abbot/
> 
> ) A measure of the cleanness of Abbot's API is that we found it
> surprisingly easy to extend to support SWT.
> 
> Abbot has a script-oriented *extension*, Costello, that does
> record/play/edit, but Ya Don't Hafta Use It. (E.g. I never have; my
> group has costello.swt on our todo list, but we don't need it for our
> testing.) 
> 
> In short, 
> 
> * s|Abbot is a record/playback GUI test framework|Abbot is a GUI
>   automation framework, which can be driven in several ways.
> 
> * the implication that Abbot is unsuited for TDD is simply false: 
>   it can be easily and cleanly driven by JUnit.


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