[TFUI] TFUI in Tcl/Tk

Hello,

   I'm a long time lurker in this group.  Recently I tried reusing 
Dave Astels's tests in _TDD:A Practical Guide_ to create a database 
editor with a Tcl/Tk GUI.  I liked the result enough to plan to 
report on them at the Tcl 2005 conference.  The talk is called

     TFUI in Tcl/Tk - Exploiting the Humble Dialog Box

My abstract is at

     <http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2005/abstracts/testing/TFUI.txt>

   I've uploaded a much too long draft paper to the files section of 
this group

     
<http://f4.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/YCkzQxSQGb_Wb0wPc6sw6s4PysMv3a8kkLDVFPV
Th8sc1eR5aQ3UOZpIF0azY9G9KhXVCGgndGms-
roOKnf2kKuyh75TnrcvMQ/TFUI_in_TclTk_DRAFT.pdf>

   I've tried to incorporate several of the things I've learned 
lurking here and from other sources.  I suggest a testing pattern

---
       TFUI Testing Pattern for State Testing

1. Augment the Model to provide the feature functionality (writing 
the tests first).
2. Provide a way to invoke that functionality through the Presenter 
(writing the test first).
3. Add the required GUI elements to the View (writing the tests 
first).
4. Replace the Presenter invocation in the test with a View 
invocation.
5. Add behavior to the GUI elements to invoke the Presenter and make 
the test(s) pass.
6. Examine the GUI visually.
---

that differs a bit from the Presenter First pattern used when 
Interaction Testing.

   I'd be interested in what people think.  The initial sections of 
the paper discusses the ideas.  The last (and longest) part is my 
attempt at documenting "stream of consciousness" TDD sessions for 
the first 17 Movie List tests.  I need to learn to make my thoughts 
as focused and interesting as other published reports of TDD 
sessions.

   If you have trouble with the direct URL for the paper, you should 
be able to get it from the files section.

   Thanks,

       Neil Ostrove






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