Re: Big change to IDLE Shell

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Alan and Andr=C3=A9, since you've both given positive feedback about this
change, I'm interested in your perspectives about two problems which
Raymond Hettinger brought up on the bpo issue [1]:

1. Reduced clarity of separation between input and output lines.
2. Increased indentation of outputs reduces horizontal screen real-estate,
which is an issue for examples in presentations and books.

Others are welcome to offer their perspectives too, of course :)
- Tal

[1] https://bugs.python.org/issue37903#msg393237

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 11:22 PM Alan Gauld via IDLE-dev <
[email protected]> wrote:

> On 28/04/2021 07:52, Terry Reedy wrote:
> > 3.10.0b1 is due to be released next Monday.  The big change for IDLE is
> > in the Shell.  The first line of entered statement will line up with
> > continuation lines and indents will be spaces instead of tabs.
>
> Great news, that will eliminate a whole category of problems
> we see on the tutor list with IDLE.
>
> PS. Sorry I'm late to the party, I only check this list
> once a month or so...
>
> > to 3.9 (maybe in late June).  The last maintenance release of 3.8 is
> > also next Monday, so it will never get this patch.
>
> Pity, I'm still on 3.8... This might be sufficient reason
> to upgrade to 3.9...
>
> --
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Alan and Andr=C3=A9, since you&#39;ve both given posi=
tive feedback about this change, I&#39;m interested in your perspectives ab=
out two problems which Raymond Hettinger brought up on the bpo issue [1]:</=
div><div><br></div><div>1. Reduced clarity of separation between input and =
output lines.</div><div>2. Increased indentation of outputs reduces horizon=
tal screen real-estate, which is an issue for examples in presentations and=
 books.</div><div><br></div><div>Others are welcome to offer their perspect=
ives too, of course :)</div><div>- Tal<br></div><div><br></div><div>[1] <a =
href=3D"https://bugs.python.org/issue37903#msg393237">https://bugs.python.o=
rg/issue37903#msg393237</a></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 11:22 PM Alan Gaul=
d via IDLE-dev &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]=
rg</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=
">On 28/04/2021 07:52, Terry Reedy wrote:<br>
&gt; 3.10.0b1 is due to be released next Monday.=C2=A0 The big change for I=
DLE is <br>
&gt; in the Shell.=C2=A0 The first line of entered statement will line up w=
ith <br>
&gt; continuation lines and indents will be spaces instead of tabs. <br>
<br>
Great news, that will eliminate a whole category of problems<br>
we see on the tutor list with IDLE.<br>
<br>
PS. Sorry I&#39;m late to the party, I only check this list<br>
once a month or so...<br>
<br>
&gt; to 3.9 (maybe in late June).=C2=A0 The last maintenance release of 3.8=
 is <br>
&gt; also next Monday, so it will never get this patch.<br>
<br>
Pity, I&#39;m still on 3.8... This might be sufficient reason<br>
to upgrade to 3.9...<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Alan G<br>
Author of the Learn to Program web site<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.alan-g.me.uk/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">h=
ttp://www.alan-g.me.uk/</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.amazon.com/author/alan_gauld" rel=3D"noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">http://www.amazon.com/author/alan_gauld</a><br>
Follow my photo-blog on Flickr at:<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.flickr.com/photos/alangauldphotos" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/alangauldphotos</a><br>
<br>
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