Re: A modest proposal

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On Tue, May 12, 2026 at 10:26=E2=80=AFAM Carl Kleffner via NumPy-Discussion=
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[email protected]> wrote:

> There are some niche Windows 32-bit applications I'm aware of. However,
> none of theses are related to scientific computing. Two
> scipy  questionaries related to this topic:
> releasing-or-not-32-bit-windows-wheels
> <https://discuss.scientific-python.org/t/releasing-or-not-32-bit-windows-=
wheels/282>
>  and Poll: availability for 32bit Windows scipy binaries in future
> <https://github.com/scipy/scipy/issues/16286> raised no red flags
> concerning removing 32-bit. And these inquiries were made almost four yea=
rs
> ago!
>
> There is only one webassembly support (pyidide, pyscript) which may be in
> some form relevant to this question, as wasm32 is still the dominant
> platform.
>

There are several CI jobs for 32-bit platforms, including Pyodide (for
which we also release nightly wheels) and armhf. Also, distros like Debian
need support for several 32-bit platforms. We're not dropping any
source-level support here.

Cheers,
Ralf


> Cheers
>
> Carl
>
> Am Di., 12. Mai 2026 um 09:34 Uhr schrieb Matthew Brett via
> NumPy-Discussion <[email protected]>:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Tue, May 12, 2026 at 6:52=E2=80=AFAM matti picus via NumPy-Discussion
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 12, 2026 at 3:42=E2=80=AFAM Charles R Harris via NumPy-Dis=
cussion
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hi All,
>> > >
>> > > I would like to propose dropping 32 bit windows support in the NumPy
>> 2.6 branch. It is time, Steam is dropping support, and most downstream
>> projects dropped support some time ago. We can still test it, perhaps, b=
ut
>> the world isn't going that way.
>> > >
>> > > Chuck
>> >
>> > +1 from me
>> > Matti
>>
>> Worth floating with Steve Dower?  https://stevedower.id.au/about ;
>> https://github.com/zooba
>>
>> I seem to remember him saying, quite a few years ago, that 32-bit
>> Windows was in practice only important for Windows ARM users running
>> the 32-bit Intel binaries under emulation.  Now there are Windows ARM
>> wheels (and CI), so I bet that there are a very small number of people
>> who need these.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Matthew
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote g=
mail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, May 12,=
 2026 at 10:26=E2=80=AFAM Carl Kleffner via NumPy-Discussion &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div>There are some niche Windows 32-bit applications I&#39;m aware o=
f. However, none of theses are related to scientific=C2=A0computing. Two sc=
ipy=C2=A0=C2=A0questionaries related to this topic:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https:/=
/discuss.scientific-python.org/t/releasing-or-not-32-bit-windows-wheels/282=
" target=3D"_blank">releasing-or-not-32-bit-windows-wheels</a>=C2=A0and=C2=
=A0<a href=3D"https://github.com/scipy/scipy/issues/16286" target=3D"_blank=
">Poll: availability for 32bit Windows scipy binaries in future</a>=C2=A0ra=
ised no red flags concerning removing 32-bit.=C2=A0And these inquiries were=
 made almost four years ago!</div><div><br></div><div>There is only one web=
assembly support (pyidide, pyscript) which may be in some form relevant to =
this question, as wasm32 is still the dominant platform.</div></div></block=
quote><div><br></div><div>There are several CI jobs for 32-bit platforms, i=
ncluding Pyodide (for which we also release nightly wheels) and armhf. Also=
, distros like Debian need support for several 32-bit platforms. We&#39;re =
not dropping any source-level support here.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers=
,<br></div><div>Ralf</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Carl</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">Am Di., 12. Mai 2026 um 09:34=C2=A0Uhr schrieb Matthew =
Brett via NumPy-Discussion &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]=
g" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;:<br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
On Tue, May 12, 2026 at 6:52=E2=80=AFAM matti picus via NumPy-Discussion<br=
>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">numpy-=
[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Tue, May 12, 2026 at 3:42=E2=80=AFAM Charles R Harris via NumPy-Dis=
cussion<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">n=
[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Hi All,<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; I would like to propose dropping 32 bit windows support in the Nu=
mPy 2.6 branch. It is time, Steam is dropping support, and most downstream =
projects dropped support some time ago. We can still test it, perhaps, but =
the world isn&#39;t going that way.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Chuck<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; +1 from me<br>
&gt; Matti<br>
<br>
Worth floating with Steve Dower?=C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://stevedower.id.au/=
about" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://stevedower.id.au/about<=
/a> ;<br>
<a href=3D"https://github.com/zooba" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">h=
ttps://github.com/zooba</a><br>
<br>
I seem to remember him saying, quite a few years ago, that 32-bit<br>
Windows was in practice only important for Windows ARM users running<br>
the 32-bit Intel binaries under emulation.=C2=A0 Now there are Windows ARM<=
br>
wheels (and CI), so I bet that there are a very small number of people<br>
who need these.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Matthew<br>
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