Re: Trying to do some research on the effects of biofeedback

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Hi Laura.

I am a member of the Openeeg-list group, and read your post requesting poin=
ters to information about the use and nature of biofeedback on the mind.

Several years ago, I became curious about the whole concept of biofeedback,=
 after reading two or three books which promoted biofeedback as being a ver=
y effective way to deal with the mind capabilities, as well as its problems=
. However, the books seemed to make the whole concept to be a bit like snak=
e oil medicine, offering cures for everything from hangnails to autism, so =
I wasn't too taken with the whole idea. I was intrigued and curious, but st=
ill rather skeptical. Maybe I was just being a bit too skeptical.

However, after finding the Openeeg website, I saw the plans with which one =
could construct their own eeg device, so I thought it would be fun to just =
give it a try. (Many years ago, when I was in the navy, I was a radar elect=
ronics technician, so I have the basic skills to undertake such an easy pro=
ject, and anyway, it just sounded like a fun project to tinker with. Who wo=
uldn't like to play with their own brain?)

So, I went ahead and, for about only $300, made one and got the ancillary m=
aterials (electrodes, paste, etc.). It works great, but I didn't really kno=
w what I was doing, as far as the actually application and interpretation o=
f my results were concerned. At that point, I needed a class in the use of =
the device and the interpretation of its results, but wasn't about to pay t=
he large fees they were charging for those who probably, in most cases, wan=
ted to become certified therapists.

So, as a result, I just played around with it for a year or so, using the f=
ree Brain Bay software that you've probably seen mentioned on the Openeeg w=
ebsite. It was all fun and interesting to watch my own brain waves, but as =
stated, I lacked the knowledge and skills requisite to any actual use and a=
pplication of them. So, I put it away and haven't even looked at it in year=
s.

I also quit frequenting the Openeeg website. Every now & then a message fro=
m the Openeeg website pops up, but I usually just delete them, without even=
 giving them a read; however, for some reason, I opened yours and saw what =
you had written, requesting information.

So, the reason I am writing to you is because, as of late, I have thinking =
that maybe I didn't really give biofeedback a fair trial, and have wondered=
 about just how effective it really is for some things. Thus, your message,=
 requesting information struck a chord with me, as it seems as though we mi=
ght be on the same 'wavelength,' so to speak.

I have, halfheartedly, tried to find any information as to how effective bi=
ofeedback has truly proved to be in such areas as ADD, autism, memory, as w=
ell as other things.; however, everything I've seen hasn't seemed very acad=
emic, and appears to be nothing more than anecdotal evaluations, much like =
you might get from reading the reviews given by people regarding the lawn c=
hairs they recently bought on Amazon. I'm not interested in that kind of ev=
aluation, but am searching for unbiased, rigorous, scientific studies conce=
rning the effectiveness of biofeedback, much as what I assume that you, you=
rself, are seeking.

If I find that biofeedback is, in fact, a valid approach to much of what it=
's touted to be, then I will give it a more concerted effort and study, alt=
hough I'm still not going to spend thousands of dollars on classes. Instead=
, I would opt for doing some research as to how one uses and interprets the=
 results of biofeedback sessions. Between Google, YouTube, the library syst=
em, and online classes from major universities, there is now a plethora of =
knowledge 'out there,' to which one can avail themselves, so it seems possi=
ble that one can now probably bring themselves up to a level that would mee=
t my own needs and interests. If your need for information is pursuant to m=
ore scholarly or professional goals, then that, of course, is another matte=
r.

So, to make a long story short, I am just writing to let you know that, sin=
ce we seem to be on at least a similar path, I will certainly pass on anyth=
ing that I find, and would appreciate hearing about anything that you might=
 run across, as well.  Like they say, 'two heads are better than one,' so m=
aybe we can put our efforts together and come up with a decent collection o=
f studies. Tomorrow, I will send you a list of the material which I already=
 have, such as it is, but right now it's time to get ready for bed.

Best Regards,

Ray Cole
[email protected]
________________________________
From: LM <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 8:16 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [Openeeg-list] Trying to do some research on the effects of biofee=
dback

I'm doing some research on the effects of using biofeedback.  I'm
trying to look for research, articles, papers, etc. comparing the
results of biofeedback training and meditation and hypnagogic states.
Also looking for research, articles about what people think alpha and
theta waves represent and how asymmetry or waves being more prevalent
in one hemisphere than another or one part of the brain versus another
might affect that.  For instance, some research connects presence of
theta waves with activities such as storing memories and daydreaming.

If anyone has any pointers to information on these subjects, would
greatly appreciate hearing about it.

Thank you very much.

Sincerely,
Laura


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Hi Laura.&nbsp;</div>
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I am a member of the Openeeg-list group, and read your post requesting poin=
ters to information about the use and nature of biofeedback on the mind.&nb=
sp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Several years ago, I became curious about the whole concept of biofeedback,=
 after reading two or three books which promoted biofeedback as being a ver=
y effective way to deal with the mind capabilities, as well as its problems=
. However, the books seemed to make
 the whole concept to be a bit like snake oil medicine, offering cures for =
everything from hangnails to autism, so I wasn't too taken with the whole i=
dea. I was intrigued and curious, but still rather skeptical. Maybe I was j=
ust being a bit too skeptical.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
However, after finding the Openeeg website, I saw the plans with which one =
could construct their own eeg device, so I thought it would be fun to just =
give it a try. (Many years ago, when I was in the navy, I was a radar elect=
ronics technician, so I have the
 basic skills to undertake such an easy project, and anyway, it just sounde=
d like a fun project to tinker with. Who wouldn't like to play with their o=
wn brain?)&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
So, I went ahead and, for about only $300, made one and got the ancillary m=
aterials (electrodes, paste, etc.). It works great, but I didn't really kno=
w what I was doing, as far as the actually application and interpretation o=
f my results were concerned. At
 that point, I needed a class in the use of the device and the interpretati=
on of its results, but wasn't about to pay the large fees they were chargin=
g for those who probably, in most cases, wanted to become certified therapi=
sts.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
So, as a result, I just played around with it for a year or so, using the f=
ree Brain Bay software that you've probably seen mentioned on the Openeeg w=
ebsite. It was all fun and interesting to watch my own brain waves, but as =
stated, I lacked the knowledge and
 skills requisite to any actual use and application of them. So, I put it a=
way and haven't even looked at it in years.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
I also quit frequenting the Openeeg website. Every now &amp; then a message=
 from the Openeeg website pops up, but I usually just delete them, without =
even giving them a read; however, for some reason, I opened yours and saw w=
hat you had written, requesting information.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
So, the reason I am writing to you is because, as of late, I have thinking =
that maybe I didn't really give biofeedback a fair trial, and have wondered=
 about just how effective it really is for some things. Thus, your message,=
 requesting information struck a
 chord with me, as it seems as though we might be on the same 'wavelength,'=
 so to speak.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
I have, halfheartedly, tried to find any information as to how&nbsp;effecti=
ve biofeedback has truly proved to be in such areas as ADD, autism, memory,=
 as well as other things.; however, everything I've seen hasn't seemed very=
 academic, and appears to be nothing
 more than anecdotal evaluations, much like you might get from reading the =
reviews given by people regarding the lawn chairs they recently bought on A=
mazon. I'm not interested in that kind of evaluation, but am searching for&=
nbsp;<span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !imp=
ortant">unbiased,
 rigorous, scientific studies concerning the effectiveness of biofeedback, =
much as what I assume that you, yourself, are seeking.&nbsp;</span></div>
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !importan=
t"><br>
</span></div>
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !importan=
t">If I find that biofeedback is, in fact, a valid approach to much of what=
 it's touted to be, then I will give it a more concerted effort and study, =
although I'm still not going to spend
 thousands of dollars on classes. Instead, I would opt for doing some resea=
rch as to how one uses and interprets the results of biofeedback sessions. =
Between Google, YouTube, the library system, and online classes from major =
universities, there is now a plethora
 of knowledge 'out there,' to which one can avail themselves, so it seems p=
ossible that one can now probably bring themselves up to a level that would=
 meet my own needs and interests. If your need for information is pursuant =
to more scholarly or professional
 goals, then that, of course, is another matter.&nbsp;</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !importan=
t"><br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !importan=
t">So, to make a long story short, I am just writing to let you know that, =
since we seem to be on at least a similar path, I will certainly pass on an=
ything that I find, and would appreciate
 hearing about anything that you might run across, as well.&nbsp; Like they=
 say, 'two heads are better than one,' so maybe we can put our efforts toge=
ther and come up with a decent collection of studies. Tomorrow, I will send=
 you a list of the material which I already
 have, such as it is, but right now it's time to get ready for bed.&nbsp;</=
span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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t"><br>
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !importan=
t">Best Regards,</span></div>
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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t"><br>
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<span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !importan=
t">Ray Cole</span></div>
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<div class=3D"PlainText">I'm doing some research on the effects of using bi=
ofeedback.&nbsp; I'm<br>
trying to look for research, articles, papers, etc. comparing the<br>
results of biofeedback training and meditation and hypnagogic states.<br>
Also looking for research, articles about what people think alpha and<br>
theta waves represent and how asymmetry or waves being more prevalent<br>
in one hemisphere than another or one part of the brain versus another<br>
might affect that.&nbsp; For instance, some research connects presence of<b=
r>
theta waves with activities such as storing memories and daydreaming.<br>
<br>
If anyone has any pointers to information on these subjects, would<br>
greatly appreciate hearing about it.<br>
<br>
Thank you very much.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Laura<br>
<br>
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