Re: Trying to do some research on the effects of biofeedback
Steve Sterling <[email protected]> Fri, 2 Apr 2021 21:47:30 -0700
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--===============2703640238039954679== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006ca3ea05bf0a2bab" --0000000000006ca3ea05bf0a2bab Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" qEEG On Fri, Apr 2, 2021, 9:34 PM Ray Cole <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Laura. > > I am a member of the Openeeg-list group, and read your post requesting > pointers to information about the use and nature of biofeedback on the > mind. > > Several years ago, I became curious about the whole concept of > biofeedback, after reading two or three books which promoted biofeedback as > being a very effective way to deal with the mind capabilities, as well as > its problems. However, the books seemed to make the whole concept to be a > bit like snake oil medicine, offering cures for everything from hangnails > to autism, so I wasn't too taken with the whole idea. I was intrigued and > curious, but still rather skeptical. Maybe I was just being a bit too > skeptical. > > However, after finding the Openeeg website, I saw the plans with which one > could construct their own eeg device, so I thought it would be fun to just > give it a try. (Many years ago, when I was in the navy, I was a radar > electronics technician, so I have the basic skills to undertake such an > easy project, and anyway, it just sounded like a fun project to tinker > with. Who wouldn't like to play with their own brain?) > > So, I went ahead and, for about only $300, made one and got the ancillary > materials (electrodes, paste, etc.). It works great, but I didn't really > know what I was doing, as far as the actually application and > interpretation of my results were concerned. At that point, I needed a > class in the use of the device and the interpretation of its results, but > wasn't about to pay the large fees they were charging for those who > probably, in most cases, wanted to become certified therapists. > > So, as a result, I just played around with it for a year or so, using the > free Brain Bay software that you've probably seen mentioned on the Openeeg > website. It was all fun and interesting to watch my own brain waves, but as > stated, I lacked the knowledge and skills requisite to any actual use and > application of them. So, I put it away and haven't even looked at it in > years. > > I also quit frequenting the Openeeg website. Every now & then a message > from the Openeeg website pops up, but I usually just delete them, without > even giving them a read; however, for some reason, I opened yours and saw > what you had written, requesting information. > > So, the reason I am writing to you is because, as of late, I have thinking > that maybe I didn't really give biofeedback a fair trial, and have wondered > about just how effective it really is for some things. Thus, your message, > requesting information struck a chord with me, as it seems as though we > might be on the same 'wavelength,' so to speak. > > I have, halfheartedly, tried to find any information as to how effective > biofeedback has truly proved to be in such areas as ADD, autism, memory, as > well as other things.; however, everything I've seen hasn't seemed very > academic, and appears to be nothing more than anecdotal evaluations, much > like you might get from reading the reviews given by people regarding the > lawn chairs they recently bought on Amazon. I'm not interested in that kind > of evaluation, but am searching for unbiased, rigorous, scientific > studies concerning the effectiveness of biofeedback, much as what I assume > that you, yourself, are seeking. > > If I find that biofeedback is, in fact, a valid approach to much of what > it's touted to be, then I will give it a more concerted effort and study, > although I'm still not going to spend thousands of dollars on classes. > Instead, I would opt for doing some research as to how one uses and > interprets the results of biofeedback sessions. Between Google, YouTube, > the library system, and online classes from major universities, there is > now a plethora of knowledge 'out there,' to which one can avail themselves, > so it seems possible that one can now probably bring themselves up to a > level that would meet my own needs and interests. If your need for > information is pursuant to more scholarly or professional goals, then that, > of course, is another matter. > > So, to make a long story short, I am just writing to let you know that, > since we seem to be on at least a similar path, I will certainly pass on > anything that I find, and would appreciate hearing about anything that you > might run across, as well. Like they say, 'two heads are better than one,' > so maybe we can put our efforts together and come up with a decent > collection of studies. Tomorrow, I will send you a list of the material > which I already have, such as it is, but right now it's time to get ready > for bed. > > Best Regards, > > Ray Cole > [email protected] > ------------------------------ > *From:* LM <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Friday, April 2, 2021 8:16 AM > *To:* [email protected] < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* [Openeeg-list] Trying to do some research on the effects of > biofeedback > > I'm doing some research on the effects of using biofeedback. I'm > trying to look for research, articles, papers, etc. comparing the > results of biofeedback training and meditation and hypnagogic states. > Also looking for research, articles about what people think alpha and > theta waves represent and how asymmetry or waves being more prevalent > in one hemisphere than another or one part of the brain versus another > might affect that. For instance, some research connects presence of > theta waves with activities such as storing memories and daydreaming. > > If anyone has any pointers to information on these subjects, would > greatly appreciate hearing about it. > > Thank you very much. > > Sincerely, > Laura > > > _______________________________________________ > Openeeg-list mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openeeg-list > Go to the above address to change your > subscription options, e.g unsubscribe. > _______________________________________________ > Openeeg-list mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openeeg-list > Go to the above address to change your > subscription options, e.g unsubscribe. > --0000000000006ca3ea05bf0a2bab Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"auto">qEEG</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"= class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 2, 2021, 9:34 PM Ray Cole <<a href=3D"= mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquo= te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so= lid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> Hi Laura.=C2=A0</div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> I am a member of the Openeeg-list group, and read your post requesting poin= ters to information about the use and nature of biofeedback on the mind.=C2= =A0</div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> Several years ago, I became curious about the whole concept of biofeedback,= after reading two or three books which promoted biofeedback as being a ver= y effective way to deal with the mind capabilities, as well as its problems= . However, the books seemed to make the whole concept to be a bit like snake oil medicine, offering cures for = everything from hangnails to autism, so I wasn't too taken with the who= le idea. I was intrigued and curious, but still rather skeptical. Maybe I w= as just being a bit too skeptical.=C2=A0</div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> However, after finding the Openeeg website, I saw the plans with which one = could construct their own eeg device, so I thought it would be fun to just = give it a try. (Many years ago, when I was in the navy, I was a radar elect= ronics technician, so I have the basic skills to undertake such an easy project, and anyway, it just sounde= d like a fun project to tinker with. Who wouldn't like to play with the= ir own brain?)=C2=A0</div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> So, I went ahead and, for about only $300, made one and got the ancillary m= aterials (electrodes, paste, etc.). It works great, but I didn't really= know what I was doing, as far as the actually application and interpretati= on of my results were concerned. At that point, I needed a class in the use of the device and the interpretati= on of its results, but wasn't about to pay the large fees they were cha= rging for those who probably, in most cases, wanted to become certified the= rapists.=C2=A0</div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> So, as a result, I just played around with it for a year or so, using the f= ree Brain Bay software that you've probably seen mentioned on the Opene= eg website. It was all fun and interesting to watch my own brain waves, but= as stated, I lacked the knowledge and skills requisite to any actual use and application of them. So, I put it a= way and haven't even looked at it in years.=C2=A0</div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> I also quit frequenting the Openeeg website. Every now & then a message= from the Openeeg website pops up, but I usually just delete them, without = even giving them a read; however, for some reason, I opened yours and saw w= hat you had written, requesting information.=C2=A0</div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> So, the reason I am writing to you is because, as of late, I have thinking = that maybe I didn't really give biofeedback a fair trial, and have wond= ered about just how effective it really is for some things. Thus, your mess= age, requesting information struck a chord with me, as it seems as though we might be on the same 'waveleng= th,' so to speak.=C2=A0</div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> I have, halfheartedly, tried to find any information as to how=C2=A0effecti= ve biofeedback has truly proved to be in such areas as ADD, autism, memory,= as well as other things.; however, everything I've seen hasn't see= med very academic, and appears to be nothing more than anecdotal evaluations, much like you might get from reading the = reviews given by people regarding the lawn chairs they recently bought on A= mazon. I'm not interested in that kind of evaluation, but am searching = for=C2=A0<span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!im= portant">unbiased, rigorous, scientific studies concerning the effectiveness of biofeedback, = much as what I assume that you, yourself, are seeking.=C2=A0</span></div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> <span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important">= <br> </span></div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> <span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important">= If I find that biofeedback is, in fact, a valid approach to much of what it= 's touted to be, then I will give it a more concerted effort and study,= although I'm still not going to spend thousands of dollars on classes. Instead, I would opt for doing some resea= rch as to how one uses and interprets the results of biofeedback sessions. = Between Google, YouTube, the library system, and online classes from major = universities, there is now a plethora of knowledge 'out there,' to which one can avail themselves, so it= seems possible that one can now probably bring themselves up to a level th= at would meet my own needs and interests. If your need for information is p= ursuant to more scholarly or professional goals, then that, of course, is another matter.=C2=A0</span></div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> <span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important">= <br> </span></div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> <span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important">= So, to make a long story short, I am just writing to let you know that, sin= ce we seem to be on at least a similar path, I will certainly pass on anyth= ing that I find, and would appreciate hearing about anything that you might run across, as well.=C2=A0 Like they= say, 'two heads are better than one,' so maybe we can put our effo= rts together and come up with a decent collection of studies. Tomorrow, I w= ill send you a list of the material which I already have, such as it is, but right now it's time to get ready for bed.=C2= =A0</span></div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> <span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important">= <br> </span></div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> <span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important">= Best Regards,</span></div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> <span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important">= <br> </span></div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> <span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important">= Ray Cole</span></div> <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r= gb(0,0,0)"> <span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important">= <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">ra= [email protected]</a></span></div> <div id=3D"m_-4485478721692884626appendonsend"></div> <hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%"> <div id=3D"m_-4485478721692884626divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"C= alibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b>= LM <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefe= rrer">[email protected]</a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 2, 2021 8:16 AM<br> <b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"= _blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email protected]</a> <<a hr= ef=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"n= oreferrer">[email protected]</a>><br> <b>Subject:</b> [Openeeg-list] Trying to do some research on the effects of= biofeedback</font> <div>=C2=A0</div> </div> <div><font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt"> <div>I'm doing some research on the effects of using biofeedback.=C2=A0= I'm<br> trying to look for research, articles, papers, etc. comparing the<br> results of biofeedback training and meditation and hypnagogic states.<br> Also looking for research, articles about what people think alpha and<br> theta waves represent and how asymmetry or waves being more prevalent<br> in one hemisphere than another or one part of the brain versus another<br> might affect that.=C2=A0 For instance, some research connects presence of<b= r> theta waves with activities such as storing memories and daydreaming.<br> <br> If anyone has any pointers to information on these subjects, would<br> greatly appreciate hearing about it.<br> <br> Thank you very much.<br> <br> Sincerely,<br> Laura<br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Openeeg-list mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" rel= =3D"noreferrer">[email protected]</a><br> <a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openeeg-list" targe= t=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinf= o/openeeg-list</a><br> Go to the above address to change your<br> subscription options, e.g unsubscribe.<br> </div> </span></font></div> </div> _______________________________________________<br> Openeeg-list mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" rel= =3D"noreferrer">[email protected]</a><br> <a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openeeg-list" rel= =3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/= lists/listinfo/openeeg-list</a><br> Go to the above address to change your<br> subscription options, e.g unsubscribe.<br> </blockquote></div> --0000000000006ca3ea05bf0a2bab-- --===============2703640238039954679== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline --===============2703640238039954679== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline