Re: Fw: WDSC and Linux

Phil, thanks for your response, you've given me a lot to think about.

Yes, I usually use CODE/400, and we use C for the most part (and some CL). 
So, although a bit disappointing, i understand that you, as we, must assign 
resources to things with the most priority. When I started out on the 400 
(actually S/38) I used RPG, as most businesses do. As you say, it's a few 
of us ISVs that use C/C++ more of the time. And, although I've not 
convinced my boss yet, RPG is a lot easier to use for native files, 
including DSPF and PRTF.

About the help, I see that help out of RSE works better. Thanks. I think my 
comments here were based on version 4 more than version 5.
*****Just one thing would really be nice - put the runtime library 
reference into the help.*****

I tried to install the C/C++ plugin but it failed for some reason - had to 
abandon the attempt for time reasons.

My Java comments have to do with performance - various VM parameters that 
were recommended to help in my memory-constrained situation. One could see 
this as bug or feature, I suppose.  ;-)  This wasn't really about C in 
CODE, I don't think, but maybe.

In fine, I like lots of what I see. It just doesn't always fit with what we do.

Regards

Vern

At 04:59 PM 7/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Vern, by your comments it appears you are using CODE/400, not the RSE. And
>you are using it
>for C. Is this correct? Note that the RSE and iSeries Projects are the
>"IDE" that most closely
>competes with .NET, and really the truth is its optimized for RPG and
>COBOL, for which we do have
>code assist (COBOL's is coming soon) and outline view, as well as
>context-sensitive.  Indeed,
>to see where we ultimately want to take RPG/COBOL development, look at the
>tooling for the
>true "native" language for the IDE ... Java. I'd be interested to know how
>you or others feel
>the eclipse Java support compares with VS Studio's xxx.net support.
>
>This is a more accurate comparison than CODE's C support. For better or
>worse, C is not
>that heavily used on iSeries, and most users of it are ISVs you use their
>own tools anyway,
>hence this is little incentive for us to invest in rich tooling for it, as
>we are for RPG and COBOL
>and Java.  As for CODE, we are moving away from it to an IDE and the RSE
>editor precisely
>in order to offer a more competive environment than point tools can offer.
>
>The help is web-page based, which is where the industry is going, and the
>search support is only
>in the RSE vs CODE

-snip-

>As for the ascertain that you need to use Java to make the environment
>useful, again, that is a
>statement for C development with CODE.

-snip-


>----- Forwarded by Phil Coulthard/Toronto/IBM on 07/24/2003 04:40 PM -----
>|---------+------------------------------------>
>|         |           Vern Hamberg             |

-snip-

>I'm a long way with you, Aaron. MS' Visual Studio IDE is so much easier to
>work in than anything IBM has come up with. And I could qualify as a 400
>bigot. I've mostly worked in VB (pre .NET). Code completion is a dream
>there - parameters are clearly indicated. Help is normal Windows - maybe
>the goal is platform independence for the help in WDSC, but it is painful
>to wait for it. And when you are in a help page in WDSC, you cannot search
>- it tells you to go back to the RSE - yuk!
>
>I'm finding that I have to become a Java guru, almost, to make this thing
>work even close to reasonably. But we don't do any Java, so we have no
>time, nor motivation, to find out that much about it. One of us does very
>well with CodeWright - gets all kinds of cross-referencing, etc., I
>believe, for the C code we write. Cl does great with SEU/PDM. I often
>prefer to use TextPad for C - any ASCII editor is better than waiting for
>RSE.
>
>Of course you need to set some things in MS' IDE, but you don't need to
>know how to tweak the operational stuff that runs it, whereas you need to
>know Java niceties to get WDSC to work better. I can't afford the time -
>too much to do.
>
>Regards
>
>Vern


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