Re: Hylafax 5.5.6 on Debian Jessie

Zitat von Lee Howard <[email protected]>:

> On 12/02/2015 06:00 AM, Bodo Meissner wrote:

>> Do you need specific features of HylaFAX+?
>
> I see requests regularly (maybe once per-month) from users wanting  
> to use HylaFAX+ on Debian.  I assure you that their interest is not  
> trivial.

I agree that HylaFAX+ has advantages, and there are users who need  
features of HylaFAX+, but many users may not even notice the  
differences.

> Ultimately, I believe that what will need to happen for these users  
> to be satisfied would be to have a separate "hylafax+" package in  
> Debian repositories.  However, that will require someone with enough  
> loyalty to Debian to step-forward to do that.

I agree that there should be a separate package. And someone has to do  
the work.
I guess if someone does the initial step to provide a Debian package  
of HylaFAX+ it will be easier to get the package maintainers to take  
over the task. Obviously they don't seem to see a big advantage to  
justify the additional effort.

>> If not I suggest to install official Debian packages hylafax-server  
>> and hylafax-client. (easy solution)

This is not to be understood as a general recommendation against  
HylaFAX+. I only suggest to think about the reasons for the choice.  
(Was HylaFAX+ chosen because "it is newer and therefore it must be  
better" or because the user needs a specific feature not available in  
HylaFAX.)

> Another "easy" solution that I've seen many use is to simply abandon Debian.

... and other Debian based distributions like Ubuntu or Mint

There are always different ways to achieve the desired result, so  
choosing a distribution that is better supported by HylaFAX+ may be  
the best way for some users.
It also has advantages to use the same distribution for all of my  
systems, even if it's a dedicated Fax server.

> I suspect that the core issue involved with Yannik's problem has to  
> do with Debian's requirement that the init scripts be "LSBized".

Yes, and LSB is a good idea to get portable applications.
(I know what I'm speaking about. I have worked for a company that  
offers a software for about 15 UNIX and Linux variants. Writing the  
code to install init scripts on all these systems was a PITA and the  
introduction of LSB made it a bit easier for Linux distributions.)

> I suspect what is needed is the inclusion of the "block" of shell  
> comments delimited by "### BEGIN INIT INFO" and "### END INIT INFO".

Yes. Probably you can simply copy the block from the Debian package's  
init script.
This is easy for a programmer, but I don't expect an average Linux  
user to do this even if he is able to run "configure;make;make install"
(In theory you have to check the dependencies, but I guess it is the  
same for HylaFAX and HylaFAX+. To prepare an official package you may  
have to discuss if the HylaFAX+ package can use the same facility name  
for the Provides line as the HylaFAX package. Otherwise you may have  
to register a new name with LANANA.)

>> Or prepare your own Debian package of HylaFAX+. (requires more knowledge)
>
> It's really not that difficult, but it does require time.  I would  
> say that it requires more time than it does knowledge.  That said,  
> it should be somewhat easy to simply replace the tarball in the  
> package build process and have a very few number of tweaks from there.

I agree, but again you are a software developer, not an average Linux user.


Bodo



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