Re: 0.6 curiousity

Hello Maarten

Thank you for your help.

Inserting a \nopage{} into the first optional argument did trigger the arguments getting 
evaluated in the right order, but it did not quite solve the problem since what I got was:

Nagel's famous ... Thomas Nagel, The ... 1970,.

Obviously, the presence of the \nopage got the argument evaluated enough to produce a 
comma even if the pp. was suppressed.

I use the double argument extensively in my thesis, but I suspect that my uses of it with 
an empty first argument are few and that if I don't hear of a fix, I'll switch those to a 
\footnote{... \cite{xyz}.}  As you said, what I liked about \footcite was its intelligent ending 
of final punctuation.

I'll try reducing options to the package, if I can.

Thanks again.  (Thanks also to Jens and the rest of the Jurabib team, the package is a 
treasure.)

David.

--- In [email protected], pmwisse@w... wrote:
> Citeren David Levy <entropydave@m...>: 
>  
> > Hello 
> >  
> > Previous questions I have asked to this list have never gotten a 
> > response.  I am unsure whether it is the subject matter of the questions 
> > or the manner in which I ask them which accounts for this.  If this 
> > question is somehow ill-formed for answering, I would be grateful for 
> > someone to point out to me why this is so, so that I may try to fix it. 
> >  
> > I have a problem with the formatting of some footnotes: 
> >  
> > This is the citation: 
> >  
> > \footcite[][Nagel's famous argument for altruism was based on precisely 
> > this idea.]{nagel1970} 
> What if you do: 
> \footcite[\nopage{}][Nagel's ... ]{nagel1970} 
> ? 
> Of course this is a workaround. It at least stops the `pp.' and perhaps it 
> also triggers the sequence of the optional arguments. You could also try to 
> replace these cases with an ordinary \footnote{Nagel's ... \cite{nagel1970}.}  
> This is only problematic if capitalization is an issue, for example when the 
> citation is replaced by Ibid. and the preceding comment ends with a comma or 
> the like. 
>  
> If these workarounds don't work, I would suggest that you update your source 
> files to reflect the new order of the optional arguments. I don't know of 
> course whether you have a lot of double optional arguments. I did it during 
> the last stage of the editing of my thesis (250pp.). 
> > %: bibliographic settings 
> > \usepackage[authorformat=citationreversed,% 
> > authorformat=reducedifibidem,% 
> is this one necessary? 
> > authorformat=and,% 
> > authorformat=indexed,% 
> > edby,% 
> > see,% 
> > oxford,% 
> > jurabiborder,% 
> > pages=format,% 
> > ibidem,% plain ibids, no page boundaries  
> > bibformat=compress,% 
> > annote,% 
> > dotafter=bibentry,% 
> > titleformat=comma,% 
> > titleformat=commasep,% 
> > titleformat=all,% 
> > titleformat=italic,% 
> > pages=test,% 
> > citefull=chapter,% 
> > opcit=chapter,% 
> You seem to mix up ibid and opcit? 
> > commabeforerest]{jurabib} 
> > \renewcommand{\bibbtsep}{in } % add ``in '' after titles 
> > \renewcommand{\bibjtsep}{in } 
> > \renewcommand{\bibansep}{, } % add commas between everything 
> > \renewcommand{\bibatsep}{, } 
> > \renewcommand{\bibbdsep}{, }  
> > \usepackage[multiple]{footmisc} 
> > \renewcommand{\jbindextype}{aut} % % put author index entries here 
> > \renewcommand{\jbauthorindexfont}{\textbf} % boldface indexed authors 
> > \jbdonotindexeditors 
> >  
> > This is the entry used above: 
> >  
> > @book{nagel1970, 
> > 	Address = {Oxford}, 
> > 	Author = {Thomas Nagel}, 
> > 	Publisher = {Clarendon Press}, 
> > 	Shorttitle = {Possibility of Altruism}, 
> > 	Title = {The Possibility of Altruism}, 
> > 	Year = {1970}} 
> >  
> > The bibliography is generated standardly as follows: 
> >  
> > \bibliographystyle{jox} % oxford style 
> > \bibliography{thesis} 
> >  
> > Thank you for any help someone can offer. 
> Generally, the less options you use, the less problems can occur. 
> Hope this helps. 
>  
> Maarten Wisse



 
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