Re: ibid or idem

Julio Rojas wrote:
> Hi, I keep watching in the manual of jurabib the use of "ibid." for 
> repetitive uses of the same reference. Here in Spain (and in most books 
> in latin languages I have seen) we use "ibid." to quote the same page of 
> the same reference previously used.
> 
> For example:
> 
> bla bla bla bla (Pérez:1989, 25) and also bla bla bla (ibid.) ---> 
> meaning that both references are from the same book and page.

Ibid references the same author/title but may be a different page.

> For repetitive uses of the same reference with diferent pages of it we 
> use "idem". For example:
> 
> bla bla bla bla (Pérez:1989, 25) and also bla bla bla (idem, 28) ---> 
> meaning that both references are from the same book but different pages

I have never seen that before. Idem refers only to an author: it
requires a title after it.

Your description is different from the usage defined in dictionaries:

ibidem. "in the same place" [...] makes reference to an identical source 
cited in an immediately preceding footnote. For example, in the footnote
"16. Ibid., p.77" the source referred to in footnote 15 is being 
referred to again, but this time citing page 77 of that source.

idem. "the same" [...] appears in footnotes containing more than one 
reference to works by the same author. It is used in place of the 
author's name after the initial reference.

(Ehrlich, Eugene. Nil Desperandum: A Dictionary of Latin Tags and 
Phrases. BCA, Swindon, 1992, . First published as "Amo, Amas, Amat
and More", Robert Hale, London, 1985.)

> I would like to know two things:
> 
> 1- Why jurabib uses this format? Is it common in Germany to use it like 
> that?
> 2- How can I change "ibid." for "idem"?

There may be a cultural difference in usage but I would be very 
surprised. The reason for using Latin is normally because it means 
exactly the *same* across cultures.

///Peter


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