Re: Build errors with GCC 14

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Hi Lout users,</div>
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FYI, the version of Lout I am currently using has version number 3.41.&nbsp=
; I would be happy to make it available to anyone who is trying to unify th=
e versions.&nbsp; I am sure there is nothing new in it.&nbsp; I do remember=
 fiddling with it a few years ago to get rid of
 stupid compiler warnings; replacing sprintf with snprintf and stuff like t=
hat.&nbsp; Probably just the same stuff that others have been doing.&nbsp; =
I'm not claiming that it is better or more official than anyone else's vers=
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I run Ubuntu here at home, but the distro I am talking about is a tarball t=
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Jeff Kingston</div>
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> William Bader &lt;wil=
[email protected]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 22 September 2025 10:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ludovic Court=A8=A8s &lt;[email protected]&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mat=A8=A7j Cepl &lt;[email protected]&gt;; Jeffrey Kingston &lt;jeff=
[email protected]&gt;; Lout Mailing List &lt;[email protected]=
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: Build errors with GCC 14</font>
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Hi Ludovic,<br>
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Thanks.<br>
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I have been using lout since one of our reports was rewritten to use lout i=
n 2007, and I am glad that others can benefit from the time that I spent.</=
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While Dr. Kingston was actively working on lout, I emailed my changes to hi=
m.</div>
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&gt;the last official release just wouldn=A1=AFt build with recent compiler=
s<br>
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Other distributions like Fedora drop packages that don't compile cleanly wi=
th recent compilers, which I think is what started the &quot;Build errors w=
ith GCC 14&quot; thread.</div>
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I keep my laptop updated with the current Fedora, and the current lout in m=
y repository builds cleanly with Fedora 42 x86_64 gcc-15.2.1 and clang-20.1=
.8.</div>
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I should also have added in my earlier reply to Mat=A8=A7j&nbsp;that I had =
thought that this list was only for help and for bug reports and was not fo=
r approval of official lout changes, so I didn't realize that I should have=
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In any case, except for the features added in my lout 3.42, I have not made=
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Valid lout input should produce the same output from recent versions of the=
 official lout as from my version, with the exception that my version write=
s more decimal places when positioning objects, which fixes issues with log=
os having incorrect sizes. Also,
 some valid lout files that crash or display incorrectly with the official =
lout work correctly in my version, and some invalid lout files that crash t=
he official lout do not crash my version. (Most of those might have been fi=
xed in the official 3.41.) My version
 resolves all gcc and clang compile warnings. My version also has makefile =
updates from distribution maintainers to simplify building rpms. I think th=
at all of those changes are fairly non-controversial and could not have bee=
n made in a significantly different
 way. Maybe someday all of the lout forks can be unified.</div>
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Regards, William</div>
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<b>From:</b>&nbsp;Ludovic Court=A8=A8s &lt;[email protected]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b>&nbsp;Monday, September 22, 2025 3:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b>&nbsp;William Bader &lt;[email protected]&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b>&nbsp;Mat=A8=A7j Cepl &lt;[email protected]&gt;; Jeffrey Kingston&nbs=
p;&lt;[email protected]&gt;; Lout Mailing List &lt;lout-users@=
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<b>Subject:</b>&nbsp;Re: Build errors with GCC 14</div>
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<div style=3D"font-size:11pt">Hey William,<br>
<br>
With Jeff being less available for Lout, I think many of us are<br>
benefiting from your work, William, making it =A1=B0de facto official=A1=B1=
 (I<br>
recently switch Guix, the distro I contribute to, to your fork, because<br>
the last official release just wouldn=A1=AFt build with recent compilers).<=
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So many thanks for your work keeping Lout a viable option today!<br>
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Ludo=A1=AF.</div>
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