Re: Blender 2.93 Released!

On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 7:51 AM Ryan Inch via Bf-committers <
[email protected]> wrote:

> @Brecht
> As to UI/UX design, add-ons use mostly Blender widgets, so their UIs are
> almost 100% compatible with the rest of blender, and each add-on must be
> reviewed before being included with Blender, and therefore, if their UX
> was incompatible, they wouldn't be accepted.
>

Add-ons are reviewed once, mostly to see if they are useful and don't have
significant design or implementation issues. The UI/UX is not reviewed the
same way. Many of them would need to go through more iterations or get
significant design changes to be accepted in core Blender.


> This was written before your latest email, but I feel it still has many
> good points.  One of the things consistent in both emails is your desire
> for add-ons to be moved to an online repository, however, there are
> already several online repositories that feature add-ons (one of which
> is the Blender Market) and it seems obvious to me that adding another
> into the mix is far less valuable than bundling them with Blender.
>

For an official online repository that is integrated into Blender, users
would not notice much difference compared to bundled add-ons. I think it
would be valuable to have a way for more developers to share their add-ons
in the same way.


> Interestingly enough, add-ons are much better represented in the release
> notes up until 2.92, although never in their own section, which I might
> expect given the unique position they hold.
>

I don't see what changed? Add-ons have had their own page in the wiki
release notes for a very long time, and in the blender.org release notes I
only see an occasional mention of a new add-on.



> Ryan
>
> On 2021-06-12 06:00 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 16:44:40 +0200
> > From: Dalai Felinto<[email protected]>
> > To: bf-blender developers<[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Blender 2.93 Released!
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > As for the "fancy" release notes. Not everything that is in the wiki
> shows
> > up there.
> >
> > The communication team makes a selection on what is worth showing, what
> to
> > simply mention, and what to leave only to the wiki. The "Blender Features
> > in 5 minutes" and the reel editors also reverse the right to pick and
> > choose what is highlighted.
> >
> > -Dalai-
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Dalai Felinto [email protected]  -www.blender.org
> > Blender Development Coordinator
> > Buikslotermeerplein 161, 1025 ET Amsterdam, the Netherlands
> >
> >
> > Op vr 11 jun. 2021 om 15:11 schreef Brecht Van Lommel via Bf-committers <
> > [email protected]>:
> >
> >> Personally, I wouldn't change this.
> >>
> >> Add-ons authors are credited in the add-on preferences, where you go to
> >> enable the add-on. The fact that they are bundled rather than installed
> >> from an online repository (which is what we should do eventually) makes
> >> little practical difference I think.
> >>
> >> For the release notes, I don't think we should be putting much emphasis
> on
> >> add-ons that often have a UI/UX and design different than core Blender,
> >> usually created by individuals without review. The freedom to do that
> >> creates very useful functionality and leads to fast development, but I
> >> wouldn't market that as part of Blender the product in the same way.
> >>
> >> The way I see it is that as an add-on author you get both the freedom
> and
> >> the responsibility for development, docs, and marketing. If anything we
> >> should decouple such things more, rather than integrating them.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 6:07 AM Ryan Inch via Bf-committers <
> >> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Dalai,
> >>> I'm not talking about an add-on in particular, I'm referring to add-ons
> >>> in general.
> >>>
> >>> In regard to your first point, we are agreed that the credit gen script
> >>> is skipping add-ons; however, from what you've shown me, it looks like
> >>> it would be easy to support.  So I'm wondering why it is that add-ons
> >>> are being skipped and what can be done to correct it for the 2.93
> >> release?
> >>> In regard to your second point, I am aware that it is the
> responsibility
> >>> of the developer to document changes in the wiki release notes, I do so
> >>> for every release, and I thank you for your willingness to help with
> any
> >>> problems accessing the wiki.  I was, however, referring to the fancier
> >>> release notes [1] that are compiled from the wiki release notes, and
> >>> that these have been lacking a section for add-ons recently.  So, what
> >>> is required to have an add-ons section added to the 'fancy' release
> >> notes?
> >>> Ryan
> >>>
> >>> [1]https://www.blender.org/download/releases/2-93/
> >>>
> >>> On 2021-06-07 06:00 AM,[email protected]  wrote:
> >>>> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 10:05:36 +0200
> >>>> From: Dalai Felinto<[email protected]>
> >>>> To: bf-blender developers<[email protected]>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Blender 2.93 Released!
> >>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>        <CAKD4fWcP41W8FFQW+5Tc5cAEwY=
> >>> [email protected]>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Ryan,
> >>>> Are you talking about an add-on in particular? There are two related
> >> but
> >>>> separate topics in your email:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. Contributors credit
> >>>> The script that generates the credits [1] is indeed be skipping the
> >>> add-on
> >>>> repositories.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2. Release notes
> >>>> It is the responsibility of any developer that contributes code, to
> >>>> document the changes and mention them in the (wiki) release notes [2].
> >> If
> >>>> an add-on maintainer needs wiki access they can contact me directly
> via
> >>>> email or as dfelinto in blender.chat.
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] -
> >>>>
> >>
> https://developer.blender.org/diffusion/BDT/browse/master/utils/credits_git_gen.py
> >>>> [2] -
> >> https://wiki.blender.org/wiki/Reference/Release_Notes/2.93/Add-ons
> >>>> -Dalai-
> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> Dalai Felinto [email protected]  -www.blender.org
> >>>> Blender Development Coordinator
> >>>> Buikslotermeerplein 161, 1025 ET Amsterdam, the Netherlands
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Op za 5 jun. 2021 om 07:10 schreef Ryan Inch via Bf-committers <
> >>>> [email protected]>:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Congratulations on the release!  Everything looks good, there seems
> to
> >>>>> be tons of great improvements,
> >>>>> and the reels are quite impressive.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However, I have noticed that Add-ons are treated differently in the
> >>>>> release notes.  Judging by the emails from the bf-extensions mailing
> >>>>> list, many of the Add-ons bundled with Blender receive dozens of
> >> updates
> >>>>> between each release, but this hasn't lately been advertised in the
> >>>>> release notes (aside from the occasional mention in @SouthernShotty's
> >> 5
> >>>>> minute videos, very grateful to him for that), plus the
> >>>>> authors/maintainers and their commits to these Add-ons don't seem to
> >> be
> >>>>> credited on the credits page[1].  Since the Add-ons are bundled with
> >>>>> Blender, is there a reason that they aren't credited at release?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If the reason for this is, in part, that authors/maintainers aren't
> >>>>> adding their changes to the wiki version of the
> >>>>> release notes in time, then I would like to inquire as to when the
> >>>>> cutoff for editing the wiki is to make it into the
> >>>>> release notes, or what else could be done to have them included?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ryan Inch (Imaginer)
> >>>>> Developer of the Collection Manager Add-on.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1]https://www.blender.org/about/credits/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 2021-06-03 06:00 AM,[email protected]   wrote:
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>> Message: 1
> >>>>>> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 19:18:32 +0200
> >>>>>> From: Dalai Felinto<[email protected]>
> >>>>>> To: bf-blender developers<[email protected]>
> >>>>>> Subject: [Bf-committers] Blender 2.93 Released!
> >>>>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>>>         <
> >>>>> CAKD4fWfyVsXY6FTAZYpgUdjTnnxOw1fTEWsZA4J5kbuwjkNO6g@mail.gmail.com>
> >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>> Blender 2.93 LTS is officially released.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The release notes are here:
> >>>>>> https://www.blender.org/download/releases/2-93/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You can check two great videos with everything 2.93 related:
> >>>>>> * Reel:https://youtu.be/fxNlpQYRz7s
> >>>>>> * Features:https://youtu.be/mnnMFJ3iWH0
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Congratulations everyone!
> >>>>>> -Dalai-
> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>> Dalai Felinto [email protected]  -www.blender.org
> >>>>>> Blender Development Coordinator
> >>>>>> Buikslotermeerplein 161, 1025 ET Amsterdam, the Netherlands
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