Re: Changing license to Apache License 2.0?

Sorry to have been so slow. I have no objection to the proposed license
changes.

JR


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Attila Szegedi <[email protected]> wrote:

> Oh, I'm totally fine with owner names' change.
>
> Yeah, changing to 3-clause BSD would also work. I'm actually fine with
> Apache too; if anyone's using FM with GPLv2, they won't be able to update,
> but then it's at least a decision we consciously made.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Daniel Dekany <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> The problem with our licence is the advertisement clause. With that,
>> our license is not even OSI-approved (anymore?), and most importantly,
>> many has complained about this restriction. To fix that, we could just
>> switch to 3-clause BSD license. But I thought that if we change the
>> licence anyway, ASL 2 would be better, as it's far more widely used
>> and as such more recognized in the Java world. Corporate layers can
>> have surprising ideas (like, some may will miss the patent
>> indemnification clause in the future... I really don't know), so I
>> thought the safest thing to do is to join the herd.
>>
>> That ASL 2 is incompatible with GPLv2 is a good point, however, given
>> how omnipresent ASL 2 is in the Java ecosystem, I wonder what will use
>> FreeMarker (especially a new version of it) and yet not have any ASL 2
>> dependency. So is that a real problem?
>>
>> Note the other important change as well: the owner will change. Any
>> comments on that?
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>  Daniel Dekany
>>
>>
>> Wednesday, July 24, 2013, 2:55:45 PM, Attila Szegedi wrote:
>>
>> > I'm somewhat interested in the "why".
>> >
>> > The only substantial difference I see between the two licenses is
>> > that Apache also has patent indemnification clauses. Admittedly, I
>> > think that's a good thing, but I'm wondering if that's a substantial
>> > need for most of our users.
>> >
>> > One specific issue where BSD is more permissive than Apache is that
>> > BSD is one-way compatible with GPLv2 (e.g. you can incorporate BSD
>> > software into GPLv2 software), but Apache isn't, specifically
>> > because of the patent indemnification language that GPLv2 lacks;
>> > Apache is one-way compatible with GPLv3 though.
>> >
>> > So, one consequence of the switch from BSD to Apache would be that
>> > people could no longer incorporate FreeMarker into software that's
>> > offered under GPLv2. I'm not saying that I'm against the move, just
>> > saying that I want to make sure everybody understands the implications.
>> >
>> > Attila.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Daniel Dekany <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> > I would like to change the licence of FreeMarker from the 4-clause
>> > BSD-style licence to Apache License 2.0. The copyright owner would
>> > also change from "The Visigoth Software Society" (VSS) to "Attila
>> > Szegedi, Dániel Dékány, Jonathan Revusky" (they are the current
>> > project owners according the CLA) as VSS is inactive. This I would
>> > like to do as soon as possible, like even starting from FreeMarker
>> > 2.3.21.
>> >
>> > Attila, Jonathan, do you agree, or want something differently?
>> >
>> > Anybody has advices or any comments on this mater? (Like, if you
>> > depend heavily on FreeMarker and have a company lawyer to ask, that
>> > would great. All help is appreciated!)
>> >
>> > --
>> > Thanks,
>> >  Daniel Dekany
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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