Re: Galeon target users?

On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 02:41:54PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
> > 
> > Well, keep in mind i only have the 1.2.99.20020908-1 debian snapshot of
> > galeon2.
> > 
> > It is possible to do, just there is no UI for it, in bookmarks/edit,
> > there is a file menu with :
> > 
> > import -> from mozilla
> >        -> from netscape
> >        -> from konqueror.
> > 
> > I hear konqueror and galeon 2 bookmarks is the same thing, but as said,
> > there is no UI about it. The same goes for export BTW,.
> 
> Bookmarks->Import in galeon 2. Maybe your version does not have it.

No, the bookmark editor has a file and an edit menu, and file->
import/export only has the three submenu i showed above.

Anyway, i will look at it again, once Erich Schubert has passed his exams
and build a new snapshot package.

> > Also, i have a little grip with the bookmark editor, it is not easy to
> > move stuff around, especially since the bookmarks you move are a long
> > horizontal white box, which hides the little black bar which shows how
> > to place things. And the auto open of folders makes it difficult to move
> > folders around below an existing folder, especially if they are at the
> > bottom of the currently showed items. Maybe the threshold is to fast or
> > something such. Maybe it has to do with the previous problem with not
> > correctly seeing the place you will be adding things. I don't know.
> 
> This is very much a gtk problem. I agree that tree dragging has serious
> usability problems.

Ok ... should i fill a bug against gtk2 for this ?

> > Sorry, but in galeon 1, i had a add in option in the bookmarks menu,
> > where there would be a menu tree of all available bookmarks folder where
> > i could add a new bookmark. But in galeon 2, only add a bookmark (into
> > the default toplevel bookmarks) is available. This makes it a very
> > inferior feature set to every available browser on the market which all
> > have more advanced ways to add bookmarks.
> 
> This make sense to me. I must say I'm trying to keep bookmarks editor
> problems out of my eyes because I have already too much to look at :)
> If you post a bug I'm sure ricardo will look at it.

Ok, i will.

> > Well, there is also an estetic problem here. Consider the standard
> > toolbar (and no, i don't do usually edit my toolbars myself), there is
> > the back, forward, ... items with a text below. and there is the address
> > bar part which has no text below. Now, the first problem is that this
> > makes the toolbar unecesary big, but also that the icons with text are
> > centered around the center of both, and this makes the icons that have
> > text are higher than the address bar and other icons which don't have
> > text. This is just plain uggly to look at.
> 
> Yeah it doesnt satisfy me that much estetically. I dont think we can do
> much about it. But as I said, a pref make perfecly sense.

Or at least center on the icon for both the icons and the menu bar, and
have the text below it.

But anyway, this is  common gnome issue i guess.

> > BTW, what is the drag/drop target (sorry if i misname it, i am using the
> > frnech locales) intented for ? It does not appear to do anything
> > obvious.
> 
> You can drag it on your desktop, or panel and it will add a link to the
> page.

Ok, ...

BTW, i thought you could drag it to the personal bookmark toolbar, and
drop it in the folders, like netscape 4 was able to do (at least on
windows).

> > > >   o The zoom icon is needed, my mother-in-law often use my computer, and she
> > > >     cannot read the small fonts i use, sure i could use a 640x480 desktop, but
> > > >     this is no solution, (sure i could buy a 19 inch screen, but this is no
> > > >     solution for me right now).
> > > > 
> > > >     => I think people already complained on this one for usability
> > > >     issues. Maybe this can be made to work differently without needing
> > > >     it in the toolbar (with a combination of click + scroll wheel or
> > > >     something such), i don't really know. But it is a very important
> > > >     thing, that and tabbed browsing are the two features i most
> > > >     appreciated in galeon 1.
> > > 
> > > Did you try the toolbar editor ?
> > 
> > Yes, i added it, but again, it may very well be worth to havi it in by
> > default, Or at least in an accesibility theme or something such.
> 
> I have not a strong feeling about this. But yeah if people thinks it
> should be default I dont have problems with it (there is a bug open
> about default toolbars, so a decision has not been taken). It's even
> sort of suggested by the hig.

Yes, it is a big accesibility feature. I miss this one much in evolution
also (where you can change the font size when reading mails, but not
when writing them).

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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