Re: why are there no themes for galeon? and is galeon 1.3 cooler than 1.2, let's vote

on Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 11:31:40PM -0500, Adam Hooper ([email protected]) wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 23:19 -0500, philip dahlquist wrote:
> > i want to take a vote, and i would like to hear from every galeon user,
> > and you can say whatever you want, tell me i'm stupid, tell me to shut
> > up, whatever, but answer this, and tell me why:  
> 
> Good thing the users aren't developing Galeon, or it'd be a huge,
> disgusting pile of garbage. Hell, even Internet Explorer would be an
> improvement.

Jesus fuck, Adam, if you can't afford to buy a brain, could you at
_least_ find an affordable leasing arrangement?


It's not a matter of implementing everything your users ask for.  It
*is* a matter of identifying useful requests, and recognizing that
there's a lot of crud.  Blanket badmouthing your users is what's causing
more and more people to give GNOME as wide a berth as possible.  With a
great deal of cause.

I've made clear from 1.2.x days that Galeon's primary features are *not*
its GNOME associations.  It's also why if Galeon's not going to be a
suitable browser, there's no way in hell Epiphany will fit the bill.
Frying pan, fire.


I mean, you're the genius responsible for:

    Obviously it's not going to be trivial to run GNOME apps outside of
    GNOME.

And:

    Yes, but how do you associate preferred programs for those MIME
    types?

...among others.


For which I suppose I owe you thanks.  I've been looking for sigfile
fodder, and you're a goddamned gold mine.


I was a member of a proprietary software tool's (SAS) user community for
years.  One annual event was the "SASWare Ballot", in which users could
vote (or nominate) features.  A colleague would submit this to the
mailing list, on which much discussion generally ensued.

A favorite comment of mine was "be careful what others ask for, you may
have to live with it".  Particularly such "ease of use" features
as...supressing error / diagnostic output.  Further digression:  my
response to one user's "how do I supress error/warning messages" was
"fix your code".  That got a lot of positive response from SAS Institute
staff (off-list).

That said, there were (and are) also a lot of useful comments from
users.  Which means filtering through them and understanding the problem
domain.  I'm _not_ seeing this from GNOME, and I continue to treat it
like a large, poorly domesticated, animal.

 
> The Galeon developers are smart people who make the most of their (free,
> voluntary) time to produce what they think is a superior browser. And
> including every feature in the world obviously won't make a superior
> browser, it'll just make a confusing one. So they have to find the
> "happy medium". Naturally, that "happy medium" makes some people
> unhappy.

Strawman.  As usual.


 
> I suggest that Galeon's developers write up a manifesto, as Epiphany's
> did. The manifesto tells its users what to expect and what they have no
> hope of getting.

That would be redundant:

    So don't deal with it.  Don't use software that uses it.
    - Jeff Waugh, offering preferred GNOME usability workaround.
    http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2004-January/008588.html



Peace.

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