Re: why are there no themes for galeon? and is galeon 1.3 cooler than 1.2, let's vote

on Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 11:19:10PM -0500, philip dahlquist ([email protected]) wrote:
> ok, here are well formatted questions.

You'll find a '<shift>' key located at each side of your keyboard.
Please acquaint yourself with their use.
 
> 1)   why are there no themes for galeon?

As covered extensively:  there are, through GNOME.
 
> 2)   why is there no selection of throbbers?

Um.  I can think of bigger worries.
 
> i think that part of what makes an app/browser cool is the look.
> netscape has themes, mozilla has themes (don't point out the obvious)
> window managers have themes. window managers are themes.

...as does Galeon.  Through GNOME.  For better or worse.

I think you'd make better mileage arguing that some settings should be
configurable on an application-specific basis.  E.g.:  I may not need
menu text in Galeon.  It's open 24/7 on my desktop, I'm intimately
familiar with its features.  Other GNOME apps used only infrequently
_would_ benefit from icons+text (or text-only) menus.

That's a different argument from the one you're making.  It's also a
GNOME argument, not a Galeon argument.

 
> the major idea behind graphical user interfaces is the look and feel.

The major idea behind GUI interfaces is that there's a class of
human-computer interactions which are more readily facilitated by use of
WIMP (windows, icon, mouse|menu, pointer) than by typing commands.
While I'm a very strong proponent of CLI, I see a place for GUI.

Visual appeal is _one_ element of the GUI.  There's also usability,
stability, ease-of-use, expert-mode support, extensibility, and other
features.


> otherwise, bill gates wouldn't have spent untold millions on cognitive
> psychologists and human/computer interaction experts developing how
> windows looked and felt. they tried to make it attractive.

<yawn>

Those who fail to understand Bill Gates's various criminal monopoly
extension/abuse tactics are doomed to ... fail to understand them.
Poorly.

 
> 3)   is it striving to be just a generic web browser?

It's striving to be the "GNOME" web browser.  Real pity that.

What I really liked about 1.2.x was that:

  - Any luser could use it.

  - Power users could abuse it wickedly.

 
> 4) is galeon 1.3.19 cooler than 1.2.14?

/me compares temperature readings.

I'll have the lab get back to you on that.
 
> i think this is worth discussing, because this is a user list, it's
> about using in general, not just technical "why doesn't this work"
> issues.

You're being about 99.923% incoherent here.  Suggest you look through
the list archives at a comparison I made of 1.3.x vs. 1.2.x a month or
so back.   Here:

    http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.galeon.user/3350

Note that some of the issues I mention initially have been addressed, a
few haven't.  On balance, 1.3.x is pretty darned close to 1.2.x.  Still
missing a few things.  Has a few additional features.  It's a toss-up.

 
> the developers will never get any feedback about the look and feel if
> it's never discussed.

So...discuss it.
 
> the main reason i started using galeon was i liked the it looked.  i
> started using it somewhere in the redhat 7 series.

Speaking for myself, the main reason I started using it was:

 1. Netscape was a festering pile of shit.  Unstable, bloated, slow,
    standards-flauting, and as advertising really started to hit
    bigtime, annoying as hell.

 2. Galeon was more stable.  Which really wasn't saying much -- but it
    was a _lot_ more stable, even in 0.10 (and earlier) days.  Even when
    it did crash, crash recovery rocked.

 3. Tabs.

 4. Access to java/javascript toggles, and animation toggles.

 5. Stylesheets.

Web browsing stopped going down a suckitude death spiral, and actually
improved.  Mostly it was a matter of a browser that respected my
choices, _and_ worked with most websites.

 
> last but certainly not the least is 
> 
> 5)   what was the motivation for the interface change?

Mostly GNOME compliance, I suspect.
 
> i would very much like to here what other people have to say, and i
> don't mean things like "galeon does everything i need it to".  that's
> like saying a yugo does eveything a ferrari does.  good luck getting
> laid in a yugo.

I've _never_ got laid in a browser, dude.  Though the Connectiva folks
apparently did it for the chicks (no, I'm not making this up).



Peace.

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    In 2002, everyone discovered that everyone else is using Linux.

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