Re: Opera 10.60 Gripes and Complaints

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 08:04 +0200, Espen Sand wrote:
> On Monday 05 July 2010 20:35:46 J. William Cupp wrote:
> > I have downloaded and installed Opera 10.60 and there are several things
> > I really don't like about it. 
> > 
> > I downloaded and installed Opera 10.60 on both Linux (Fedora) and
> > Windows (Win XP and Win 7) platforms.  Both cases were upgrades, as they
> > installed over previous, recent, versions of Opera 10.  In both cases,
> > prior settings I had made were removed and new "defaults" were set.

I admit, Opera has been very good in past upgrades about preserving
user-selected settings.  But this one removed or overwrote quite a few
of them and I'm not satisfied with that.

> > The default display removed the Command toolbar in lieu of a "command
> > tab." It took me some figuring how to make that go away and put the
> > Command toolbar back.  In Windows I finally did so, but in Linux
> > although the Command toolbar appears the skin does not appear under it.
> > The background of the Command toolbar is solid gray.
> 
> hmm, menu bar of main bar? I am not quite sure what you mean.

Poorly worded on my part.  In the "File" menu, there is an entry titled
"Show Menu Bar".  It has a checkbox option that, when checked, displays
the standard Command bar (Menu bar) as the topmost entry.  (This is the
standard appearance for many GUI-style window programs.)  It also has
the shortcut-key "Alt-F11" in the menu entry.

Opera 10.60 ships with the checkbox cleared by default.  In this
configuration, there is now Menu bar in view, and there is a Menu tab
(left-most tab in the Tab bar).  From here, pressing "Alt-F11" clears
the tab and displays the Menu bar at the top.

Once the Menu bar is showing, choosing the File command menu, and
clearing the checkbox, is the only way I've found to go back to the Menu
tab.

There are several things I don't understand:
1. Why is the "Menu bar" not considered a toolbar like all of the other
tool bars?  Shouldn't its location and appearance be in the "View ->
Toolbars" menu like all of the others?

2. Why doesn't the same keystroke turn in on and turn it off?  What is
the value in having two different techniques to switch the display one
way and the other?

3. Why does the user's selected skin _not_ display under the Menu bar?
In prior versions of Opera 10 it did so.  Now with Opera 10.60 on Linux,
the skin stops below the Menu bar and the background of it is just solid
gray.  (In Windows Opera 10.60, the skin continues under the Menu bar as
it did before.)

I certainly hope that in future releases of Opera, the user's settings
for the display of the Menu bar versus Menu tab will be preserved when
the user upgrades.
 
> > Previously, in my Linux versions of Opera, I have enjoyed selecting the
> > Bookmarks from the Command toolbar, then stepping down through the
> > various sub-menus to the point the bookmark I wish is displayed.  From
> > there, I formerly could right-click on any bookmark and display the
> > Properties of it.  This never worked in the Windows versions; to display
> > bookmark properties it was always necessary to begin with Manage
> > Bookmarks in a separate tab.  Now, however, in 10.60 the Linux version
> > works just as badly as the Windows version -- too bad, because I liked
> > being able to reach the bookmarks' Properties without needing to go
> > through Manage Bookmarks first.
> 
> Yep. I have not had time to get that in. I want it back as well.

Thanks.  Not having this ability is a huge nuisance.

> > In the Linux version of 10.60, some web pages' pop-ups do not open in
> > the background.  I checked, and my former setting to open all pop-ups in
> > the background remains selected.  It's odd: some pages DO open pop-ups
> > in the background and some DO NOT.  I haven't troubleshot exactly the
> > difference yet.  (On the Windows version, all pop-ups that I have found
> > do open in the background as intended.)

Not being able to open pop-ups in the background is a nuisance as well.

But anyway, thanks for the dialog.  I *do* appreciate that out of Opera
ASA.  ;-)

	- Bill


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