Re: Opera 24 for Linux released on Developer stream
Arjan van Leeuwen <[email protected]> Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:49:26 +0200
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--===============1878063575== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf301afaa9ab749e04fc92b663 --20cf301afaa9ab749e04fc92b663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Mike, > I want Opera as it functions under version 12. There's an open-source project that aims to re-create the Opera 12 UI in its entirety (based on QtWebkit) that you might like: http://otter-browser.org Don't let that stop you from trying the new Opera anyway, we appreciate all feedback. Cheers, Arjan On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Mike Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 09:19:36AM +0200, Arjan van Leeuwen wrote: > > Arjan: > > Like Bill, I'm not enthused about Opera becomming Chrome, in any shape or > form. If I had wanted Chrome's features, I would have dropped Opera and > moved to Chrome. I want Opera as it functions under version 12. > > I'd stay with Opera 12 until the day I die, but unfortunately sooner or > later > my damn bank is going to say that it will refuse to let me log in with an > old version of Opera, which they've done already. I have no idea how long > they will allow Opera 12 to be used before getting all pissy about it. > > I'm guessing that no one thought about situations like that for Opera > users. > > Needless to say, I'm not pleased, not pleased at all. > > MB > > > Dear Bill, > > > > Opera 24 is a completely new product compared to Opera <= 12, and > listing > > the features of each would be useless; apart from the fact that both are > > made to display web pages and are being developed largely by the same > > people, I don't think you'll find *any* feature of Opera 12 that is > present > > in exactly the same way in Opera 24. That might be disappointing to you, > > understandably so, but I'd like to ask you to judge this new browser on > its > > own merits. > > > > Of course I can't force you to try something we're handing out for free: > > it's completely up to you whether you want to try it out, use it, or > > promote it. > > > > What I can tell you is why *I* choose to use Opera over Chrome on Linux > > (and perhaps why I returned to working for Opera this year). In order of > > importance to me, most important at the top: > > > > - Mouse gestures! > > - Speed Dial > > - Out-of-the-box HiDPI support > > - No automatic sign-in to google-everything > > > > Compared to other Chromium-based browsers that are not Chrome, for me it > > also has the huge advantage that it's being kept up-to-date very quickly > > and only lags chrome-unstable by a couple of weeks, something that no > other > > chromium-based browser can say AFAIK. And Opera is a big contributor to > > Blink, developing some features and bug fixes in Opera first before > > upstreaming them. > > > > These might not be reasons for you to use Opera. Maybe there are other > > things that you'll get to like in Opera which will keep you using the > > browser, or maybe there are some features in Chrome that you can't live > > without. In any case I'd like to hear about them, and I hope it doesn't > > stop you from trying Opera. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Arjan > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 11:39 PM, J. William Cupp <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Dear Arjan, > > > > > > Sorry to say this, but after making us wait so long you're going to > need > > > more than a cheery note to pull me back in. > > > > > > When Chrome-based-Opera first came out I tried it on Windows and did > not > > > like what I saw. All of the best features of Chrome were included but > > > none of the best features of Opera were there. It was like 1983 when > > > Coca-Cola decided to put Pepsi in their bright red cans. Consumers > > > could at that time purchase Pepsi in Pepsi cans and Pepsi in Coke cans, > > > but you couldn't get Coke anywhere. If I had wanted to switch to > Chrome > > > I had plenty of opportunity to do so, but I very much favored Opera > > > until you forced me to make the switch. If I am going to use Chrome, > > > what is the advantage of using Chrome with an Opera skin? > > > > > > This is too bad, since formerly I was an avid supporter of Opera and > > > even worked to get others onboard using it. However, I have now > > > relegated Opera to my "great software fondly remembered" list, along > > > with WordPerfect. My strategy at present is to continue to use Opera > 12 > > > (Linux and Windows) as long as it works, and use Chrome whenever it > > > doesn't. With each passing month I am using Chrome a little bit more. > > > > > > If you have any hope of getting me to try Opera 24 on Linux, you'll > need > > > to first provide an exact list of which former features of Opera are no > > > longer available. I know there are some. > > > > > > - Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 10:11 +0200, Arjan van Leeuwen wrote: > > > > We've just released the first version of Opera for Linux since the > > > > switchover to Chromium/Blink here: > > > > > > > > http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2014/06/opera-24-linux-released-developer-stream/ > > > > Try it and feel free to leave some feedback :) > > > > > > -- > > > > > > J. William Cupp (386)492-1705 > > > http://my.opera.com/bcupp > > > | | > / > > > ========== * > > > GO NAVY Surface Line mighty fine HXXH > > > X X > > > X X > > > -) X X _O_ > > > __ | X X X X / > > > --+-- ____ ...( ) XX X X X_<_>_ * > > > *==C__D 0__/____\____[ ]__[ ]__X______X_|_____| > > > "" | | k > > > > _____________|________________________________________|____H___________ > > > | > / > > > | / > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > -- > > > Opera-Linux: https://list.opera.com/mailman/listinfo/opera-linux > > > More lists: https://list.opera.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > > Unsubscribe: mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > -- > > Opera-Linux: https://list.opera.com/mailman/listinfo/opera-linux > > More lists: https://list.opera.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > Unsubscribe: mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe > > > -- > e-mail: [email protected] | [email protected] /~\ The ASCII > [email protected] (140 char limit) \ / Ribbon > Campaign > Visit - URL: http://vidiot.com/ X Against > http://vidiot.net/ / \ HTML Email > "What do you say Beckett. Wanna have a baby?" - Castle to Det. Beckett > "How long have I been gone?" Alexis after seeing Castle and Beckett w/ baby > - Castle - 11/25/13 > -- > Opera-Linux: https://list.opera.com/mailman/listinfo/opera-linux > More lists: https://list.opera.com/mailman/listinfo/ > Unsubscribe: mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe > --20cf301afaa9ab749e04fc92b663 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Mike,<div><br></div><div>>=C2=A0I want Opera as it f= unctions under version 12.<br><div><br></div><div>There's an open-sourc= e project that aims to re-create the Opera 12 UI in its entirety (based on = QtWebkit) that you might like:</div> <div><a href=3D"http://otter-browser.org">http://otter-browser.org</a><br><= /div><div><br></div><div>Don't let that stop you from trying the new Op= era anyway, we appreciate all feedback.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br= > </div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Cheers,</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b= r></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Arjan<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">= On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Mike Brown <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href= =3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]= .com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-= left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p= adding-left:1ex">On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 09:19:36AM +0200, Arjan van Leeuwe= n wrote:<br> <br> Arjan:<br> <br> Like Bill, I'm not enthused about Opera becomming Chrome, in any shape = or<br> form. =C2=A0If I had wanted Chrome's features, I would have dropped Ope= ra and<br> moved to Chrome. =C2=A0I want Opera as it functions under version 12.<br> <br> I'd stay with Opera 12 until the day I die, but unfortunately sooner or= later<br> my damn bank is going to say that it will refuse to let me log in with an<b= r> old version of Opera, which they've done already. =C2=A0I have no idea = how long<br> they will allow Opera 12 to be used before getting all pissy about it.<br> <br> I'm guessing that no one thought about situations like that for Opera u= sers.<br> <br> Needless to say, I'm not pleased, not pleased at all.<br> <br> MB<br> <div><div><br> > Dear Bill,<br> ><br> > Opera 24 is a completely new product compared to Opera =C2=A0<=3D 1= 2, and listing<br> > the features of each would be useless; apart from the fact that both a= re<br> > made to display web pages and are being developed largely by the same<= br> > people, I don't think you'll find *any* feature of Opera 12 th= at is present<br> > in exactly the same way in Opera 24. That might be disappointing to yo= u,<br> > understandably so, but I'd like to ask you to judge this new brows= er on its<br> > own merits.<br> ><br> > Of course I can't force you to try something we're handing out= for free:<br> > it's completely up to you whether you want to try it out, use it, = or<br> > promote it.<br> ><br> > What I can tell you is why *I* choose to use Opera over Chrome on Linu= x<br> > (and perhaps why I returned to working for Opera this year). In order = of<br> > importance to me, most important at the top:<br> ><br> > - Mouse gestures!<br> > - Speed Dial<br> > - Out-of-the-box HiDPI support<br> > - No automatic sign-in to google-everything<br> ><br> > Compared to other Chromium-based browsers that are not Chrome, for me = it<br> > also has the huge advantage that it's being kept up-to-date very q= uickly<br> > and only lags chrome-unstable by a couple of weeks, something that no = other<br> > chromium-based browser can say AFAIK. And Opera is a big contributor t= o<br> > Blink, developing some features and bug fixes in Opera first before<br= > > upstreaming them.<br> ><br> > These might not be reasons for you to use Opera. Maybe there are other= <br> > things that you'll get to like in Opera which will keep you using = the<br> > browser, or maybe there are some features in Chrome that you can't= live<br> > without. In any case I'd like to hear about them, and I hope it do= esn't<br> > stop you from trying Opera.<br> ><br> > Best regards,<br> ><br> > Arjan<br> ><br> ><br> > On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 11:39 PM, J. William Cupp <<a href=3D"mailt= o:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> > > Dear Arjan,<br> > ><br> > > Sorry to say this, but after making us wait so long you're go= ing to need<br> > > more than a cheery note to pull me back in.<br> > ><br> > > When Chrome-based-Opera first came out I tried it on Windows and = did not<br> > > like what I saw. =C2=A0All of the best features of Chrome were in= cluded but<br> > > none of the best features of Opera were there. =C2=A0It was like = 1983 when<br> > > Coca-Cola decided to put Pepsi in their bright red cans. =C2=A0Co= nsumers<br> > > could at that time purchase Pepsi in Pepsi cans and Pepsi in Coke= cans,<br> > > but you couldn't get Coke anywhere. =C2=A0If I had wanted to = switch to Chrome<br> > > I had plenty of opportunity to do so, but I very much favored Ope= ra<br> > > until you forced me to make the switch. =C2=A0If I am going to us= e Chrome,<br> > > what is the advantage of using Chrome with an Opera skin?<br> > ><br> > > This is too bad, since formerly I was an avid supporter of Opera = and<br> > > even worked to get others onboard using it. =C2=A0However, I have= now<br> > > relegated Opera to my "great software fondly remembered"= ; list, along<br> > > with WordPerfect. =C2=A0My strategy at present is to continue to = use Opera 12<br> > > (Linux and Windows) as long as it works, and use Chrome whenever = it<br> > > doesn't. =C2=A0With each passing month I am using Chrome a li= ttle bit more.<br> > ><br> > > If you have any hope of getting me to try Opera 24 on Linux, you&= #39;ll need<br> > > to first provide an exact list of which former features of Opera = are no<br> > > longer available. =C2=A0I know there are some.<br> > ><br> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Bill<br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > > On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 10:11 +0200, Arjan van Leeuwen wrote:<br> > > > We've just released the first version of Opera for Linux= since the<br> > > > switchover to Chromium/Blink here:<br> > > ><br> > > <a href=3D"http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2014/06/opera-24-linux-= released-developer-stream/" target=3D"_blank">http://blogs.opera.com/deskto= p/2014/06/opera-24-linux-released-developer-stream/</a><br> > > > Try it and feel free to leave some feedback :)<br> > ><br> > > --<br> > ><br> > > J. 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