Re: Opera 24 for Linux released on Developer stream
Arjan van Leeuwen <[email protected]> Tue, 24 Jun 2014 17:57:31 +0200
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--===============0790367496== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0115ee1876aadf04fc97041f --089e0115ee1876aadf04fc97041f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Forgot to send this to the list! Replies in-line: On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Arjan van Leeuwen <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Neil, > > On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Neil R. Ormos <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Arjan van Leeuwen wrote: >> ... >> >> > - Mouse gestures! >> > - Speed Dial >> > - Out-of-the-box HiDPI support >> > - No automatic sign-in to google-everything >> >> Arjan: >> >> Thanks for your announcement here about the availability of Opera 24 for >> Linux. >> >> Your short list above reminds me how widely divergent the reasons various >> users prefer the "old" Opera over other browsers are. >> >> You mention mouse gestures and Speed Dial as among the most important >> differentiators to you of Opera over Chrome. While I never found either of >> those traditional features of Opera to be especially compelling, I can >> understand how others might. >> > > Yes, the reasons can indeed be very diverse. One of the nice things about > the new Opera is that the addons thing has really taken off, and a lot of > features are now available as addons, allowing users to choose whether they > want to work with certain functionality or not. In addition to Opera's > addons (https://addons.opera.com/en/), Opera can also use Chrome > extensions (see > http://ruario.ghost.io/2014/03/04/extensions-highlight-extension-source-viewer/ > for more information). > > If your knee-jerk reaction is "I don't like extensions, they give bloat", > remember that Opera's extensions are simply HTML and JavaScript that > interact with web pages and a couple of Opera-specific APIs (similar to > User Scripts in old Opera), not full-blown programs. And I would argue that > thanks to them we in fact have a lot less bloat. > > >> >> What drew me to Opera initially (long, long ago) was its fast browsing >> performance, clean UI, keyboard shortcuts, pop-up control, and the like. >> >> Over time, my priorities changed, and I highly valued such features as: >> >> keyboard shortcuts (still!); >> > > Opera has single-key shortcuts (turn on in opera://settings, it's called > "Advanced keyboard shortcuts"), which might or might not be what you're > referring to here. I know I personally don't use them, but some people > can't do without them. There's an extension called 'vimium' that many > people use to get vim-style keyboard shortcuts. > > >> "user mode" and image display control on the >> view toolbar; >> > > This should help you: > https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/no-css/?display=en > > >> easy access to delete private data and to >> disable javascript and plug-ins; >> > > Delete private data is available from the main menu (and from the history > view). Opera supports private windows as well. Javascript and plug-ins can > both be configured to be disabled by default, and for both you can manage a > whitelist with sites where you do want to enable them. For plug-ins, Opera > also supports 'Click-to-play', which means plugin content is only enabled > after it has been clicked by you (this is what I personally use). > > extremely useful browsing history and links >> display; >> > > I find the history view pretty useful (especially searching in it, which > is very fast and something I regularly use), but of course I don't know > what you found so useful about it before so it's hard to comment here :). > There is no Links view in the new Opera, although this sounds like > something that could be perfectly done using an addon (this is true for all > features that gather content from web pages). I don't know if it exists > yet, but it wouldn't surprise me. > > >> text-based bookmarks and session files (which I >> can process outside of Opera with simple >> tools); and >> > > Opera inherits sqlite-based data files from Chromium. They are not > text-based, but they are in an open, wide-spread format and quite easy to > process outside of Opera, using the sqlite command-line client from scripts > or any of the available libraries if you're writing in a more advanced > programming language. > > >> Opera's superbly granular control of >> configuration (Opera:Config) coupled with >> Tamil@MyOpera's blog that seemed to anticipate >> virtually every question I've ever had about >> changing Opera's behavior with the >> corresponding magic Opera:Config solution. >> > > You won't find as many options in Opera as you found in the old Opera, and > you won't find as many customization points. I think it's also important to > note that the level of customization possible in Opera 12 will probably > never come back. It was much liked by those that used it (a small minority, > I might add), and I certainly understand why it was very attractive to all > of us that like to tinker, but it was also the main cause of many of the > stability issues that Opera was plagued with, and later of stagnation: it > basically became very hard to add anything to Opera without breaking any of > the thousands of possible combinations of options. > > Hope this helps, > > Arjan > --089e0115ee1876aadf04fc97041f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Forgot to send this to the list= ! Replies in-line:<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 a= t 5:07 PM, Arjan van Leeuwen <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:arjanl= @opera.com" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Neil,<div class=3D"gmail= _extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"">On Tue, Jun 24, 2014= at 3:52 PM, Neil R. Ormos <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ormos-li= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote= :<br> </div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b= order-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:s= olid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Arjan van Leeuwen wrote:<br></div><div> ...<div class=3D""><br> > - Mouse gestures!<br> > - Speed Dial<br> > - Out-of-the-box HiDPI support<br> > - No automatic sign-in to google-everything<br> <br> </div></div><div class=3D"">Arjan:<br> <br> Thanks for your announcement here about the availability of Opera 24 for Li= nux.<br> <br> Your short list above reminds me how widely divergent the reasons various u= sers prefer the "old" Opera over other browsers are.<br> <br> You mention mouse gestures and Speed Dial as among the most important diffe= rentiators to you of Opera over Chrome. =C2=A0While I never found either of= those traditional features of Opera to be especially compelling, I can und= erstand how others might.<br> </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, the reasons can indeed be very = diverse. One of the nice things about the new Opera is that the addons thin= g has really taken off, and a lot of features are now available as addons, = allowing users to choose whether they want to work with certain functionali= ty or not. In addition to Opera's addons (<a href=3D"https://addons.ope= ra.com/en/" target=3D"_blank">https://addons.opera.com/en/</a>), Opera can = also use Chrome extensions (see=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://ruario.ghost.io/2014= /03/04/extensions-highlight-extension-source-viewer/" target=3D"_blank">htt= p://ruario.ghost.io/2014/03/04/extensions-highlight-extension-source-viewer= /</a> for more information).</div> <div><br></div><div>If your knee-jerk reaction is "I don't like ex= tensions, they give bloat", remember that Opera's extensions are s= imply HTML and JavaScript that interact with web pages and a couple of Oper= a-specific APIs (similar to User Scripts in old Opera), not full-blown prog= rams. And I would argue that thanks to them we in fact have a lot less bloa= t.</div> <div class=3D""> <div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px = 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-l= eft-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br> What drew me to Opera initially (long, long ago) was its fast browsing perf= ormance, clean UI, keyboard shortcuts, pop-up control, and the like.<br> <br> Over time, my priorities changed, and I highly valued such features as:<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0keyboard shortcuts (still!);<br></blockquote><div><br></div></= div><div>Opera has single-key shortcuts (turn on in opera://settings, it= 9;s called "Advanced keyboard shortcuts"), which might or might n= ot be what you're referring to here. I know I personally don't use = them, but some people can't do without them. There's an extension c= alled 'vimium' that many people use to get vim-style keyboard short= cuts.</div> <div class=3D""> <div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px = 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-l= eft-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> =C2=A0 =C2=A0"user mode" and image display control on the<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0view toolbar;<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>This s= hould help you:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/deta= ils/no-css/?display=3Den" target=3D"_blank">https://addons.opera.com/en/ext= ensions/details/no-css/?display=3Den</a></div> <div class=3D""> <div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px = 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-l= eft-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> =C2=A0 =C2=A0easy access to delete private data and to<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0disable javascript and plug-ins;<br></blockquote><div><br></di= v></div><div>Delete private data is available from the main menu (and from = the history view). Opera supports private windows as well. Javascript and p= lug-ins can both be configured to be disabled by default, and for both you = can manage a whitelist with sites where you do want to enable them. For plu= g-ins, Opera also supports 'Click-to-play', which means plugin cont= ent is only enabled after it has been clicked by you (this is what I person= ally use).=C2=A0</div> <div class=3D""> <div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p= x 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-lef= t-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> =C2=A0 =C2=A0extremely useful browsing history and links<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0display;<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I find the = history view pretty useful (especially searching in it, which is very fast = and something I regularly use), but of course I don't know what you fou= nd so useful about it before so it's hard to comment here :). There is = no Links view in the new Opera, although this sounds like something that co= uld be perfectly done using an addon (this is true for all features that ga= ther content from web pages). I don't know if it exists yet, but it wou= ldn't surprise me.</div> <div class=3D""> <div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px = 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-l= eft-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> =C2=A0 =C2=A0text-based bookmarks and session files (which I<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0can process outside of Opera with simple<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0tools); and<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Opera in= herits sqlite-based data files from Chromium. They are not text-based, but = they are in an open, wide-spread format and quite easy to process outside o= f Opera, using the sqlite command-line client from scripts or any of the av= ailable libraries if you're writing in a more advanced programming lang= uage.</div> <div class=3D""> <div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px = 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-l= eft-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Opera's superbly granular control of<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0configuration (Opera:Config) coupled with<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Tamil@MyOpera's blog that seemed to anticipate<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0virtually every question I've ever had about<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0changing Opera's behavior with the<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0corresponding magic Opera:Config solution.<br></blockquote><di= v><br></div></div><div>You won't find as many options in Opera as you f= ound in the old Opera, and you won't find as many customization points.= I think it's also important to note that the level of customization po= ssible in Opera 12 will probably never come back. It was much liked by thos= e that used it (a small minority, I might add), and I certainly understand = why it was very attractive to all of us that like to tinker, but it was als= o the main cause of many of the stability issues that Opera was plagued wit= h, and later of stagnation: it basically became very hard to add anything t= o Opera without breaking any of the thousands of possible combinations of o= ptions.</div> <div><br></div><div>Hope this helps,</div><div><br></div><div>Arjan</div></= div></div></div> </blockquote></div><br></div></div> --089e0115ee1876aadf04fc97041f-- --===============0790367496== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -- Opera-Linux: https://list.opera.com/mailman/listinfo/opera-linux More lists: https://list.opera.com/mailman/listinfo/ Unsubscribe: mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe --===============0790367496==--