RE: Re: Trougleshooting .alb files

"Moira O'Brien" <[email protected]> Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:01:16 +0100 (GMT Standard Time)
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Joe=0D
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As a further issue to this, I wish to transfer my existing Pixory from one
computer to a new one preserving all the rotation, text and other
adjustments made to the albums.  Is this possible?  recreating the whole
site from scratch would be quite a mammoth task.=0D
=0D
regards=0D
=0D
Moira=0D
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-------Original Message-------=0D
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From: Alon :)=0D
Date: 07/25/05 21:46:38=0D
To: [email protected]=0D
Subject: RE: [pixory-beta] Re: Trougleshooting .alb files=0D
 =0D
Joe,=0D
 =0D
What is the recommended procedure for backing up and restoring my pixory
settings, including narratives, in the event of a system crash?  For exampl=
e
 I have just started using Adobe Elements to index and archive my photos.=20
So I assume I will have to backup my .alb files separately?  Wow, that woul=
d
be a chore.  How would I back them up and track what folder they came from?=
=20
Unless I backup my full folder structure, pics, albs, and all.  But then I
am either backing it up twice (once manually and once with Elements) or I
lose the functionality of Adobe Elements or like software.  It seems to me
this a drawback of the current structure of the alb files.  =0D
 =0D
Restoring manually seems quit difficult.  For example, after updating some
narratives in the album where I lost my previous narratives, the alb file
was created new at the next startup of Pixory.  So I copied and pasted the
contents of the old alb into the new alb file from <name> down.  Now upon
another restart the alb file has again been recreated.  Thereby dropping my
previous settings and narratives again.  And as previously noted, simply
renaming the old .alb does not do the trick (I assume because of the <name>
field in the xml).=0D
 =0D
Contrary to what you believe, I do not believe .alb files should be =93user
manipulable.=94  I am just stating what I see as a fact.  Since data is sto=
red
in the .alb files, the .alb will get screwed up sometimes and will need to
be manually edited or restored, especially since Pixory is beta.  So the
restore process should be more intuitive.=0D
 =0D
I understand the Pixory has no built in function to restore the .alb files,
however, I see no reliable manual method either.  And so what I am asking i=
s
if there is an =93official=94 backup and restore procedure.=0D
 =0D
Alon J=0D
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-----Original Message-----=0D
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Joe Panico=0D
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 4:15 AM=0D
To: [email protected]=0D
Subject: [pixory-beta] Re: Trougleshooting .alb files=0D
 =0D
Alon,=0D
=0D
If you search through back posts in this group, you will find a couple=0D
of places where I have outlined what is stored in the .alb files=0D
versus what goes in the database.=0D
=0D
Very briefly, anything that pertains to only 1 album goes in the .alb=0D
file. Information that cuts across albums is stored in the database. =0D
=0D
For all intents and purposes, the .alb file is the one and only true=0D
place where narratives and captions are stored. That is by design.=0D
Contrary to what you believe, the .alb files were not intended to be=0D
"user manipulable". If I had wanted users to edit .alb files directly,=0D
I would not have made them XML. Only Pixory should write .alb files.=0D
The reason Pixory stores this information in separate .XML files is as=0D
a failsafe. In case Pixory malfunctions or you decide to stop using=0D
Pixory, you still have access to all of your information in a textual=0D
form (as opposed to locked in some database you can't get at). =0D
=0D
Pixory has no function to restore .alb files. The information is not=0D
reliably stored anywhere else in Pixory. It's the responsibility of=0D
the users to back up there .alb files.=0D
=0D
regards,=0D
=0D
joe=0D
=0D
=0D
--- In [email protected], "Alon :\)" <alonfw@w...> wrote:=0D
> As I was playing with one of my albums .alb files to troubleshoot a=0D
problem=0D
> I lost all of my narratives :-(  I know, my fault for not backing it up.=
=0D
> But what is the best way to "restore" an alb file?  Simply replacing=0D
it does=0D
> not work because the file name changes.  And renaming it to the new file=
=0D
> name does not work either.  I renamed by backup to the new name, and=0D
it did=0D
> not work, so I went into the composer and changed a setting.  Pixory=0D
then=0D
> wiped out all of my narratives.  So should I have replaced the=0D
contents of=0D
> the new file with the contents of the old file?=0D
> =0D
>  =0D
> =0D
> This seems to be a overly burdensome process for a part of the=0D
system which=0D
> I would imagine would be commonly played with.  I have messed with=0D
alb files=0D
> while troubleshooting at least twice in the past, and each time have=0D
lost my=0D
> narratives because I tried the obvious "restore" options (renaming and=0D
> replacing) which don't work.=0D
> =0D
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> Alon :-)=0D
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<DIV>Joe</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>As a further issue to this, I wish to transfer my existing Pixory from=
 one computer to a new one preserving all the rotation, text and other adju=
stments made to the albums.&nbsp; Is this possible?&nbsp; recreating the wh=
ole site from scratch would be quite a mammoth task.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>regards</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Moira</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV id=3DIncrediOriginalMessage><I>-------Original Message-------</I></DIV=
>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dreceivestrings>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>From:</B></I> <A href=3D"mai=
lto:[email protected]">Alon :)</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>Date:</B></I> 07/25/05 21:46=
:38</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>To:</B></I> <A href=3D"mailt=
o:[email protected]">[email protected]</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>Subject:</B></I> RE: [pixory=
-beta] Re: Trougleshooting .alb files</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Joe,</SPAN></FONT></P=
>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><=
/P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What is the recommend=
ed procedure for backing up and restoring my pixory settings, including nar=
ratives, in the event of a system crash?&nbsp; For example, I have just sta=
rted using Adobe Elements to index and archive my photos.&nbsp; So I assume=
 I will have to backup my .alb files separately?&nbsp; Wow, that would be a=
 chore.&nbsp; How would I back them up and track what folder they came from=
?&nbsp; Unless I backup my full folder structure, pics, albs, and all.&nbsp=
; But then I am either backing it up twice (once manually and once with Ele=
ments) or I lose the functionality of Adobe Elements or like software.&nbsp=
; It seems to me this a drawback of the current structure of the alb files.=
&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><=
/P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Restoring manually se=
ems quit difficult.&nbsp; For example, after updating some narratives in th=
e album where I lost my previous narratives, the alb file was created new a=
t the next startup of Pixory.&nbsp; So I copied and pasted the contents of =
the old alb into the new alb file from &lt;name&gt; down.&nbsp; Now upon an=
other restart the alb file has again been recreated.&nbsp; Thereby dropping=
 my previous settings and narratives again.&nbsp; And as previously noted, =
simply renaming the old .alb does not do the trick (I assume because of the=
 &lt;name&gt; field in the xml).</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><=
/P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Contrary to what you =
believe, I do not believe .alb files should be =93user manipulable.=94&nbsp=
; I am just stating what I see as a fact.&nbsp; Since data is stored in the=
 .alb files, the .alb will get screwed up sometimes and will need to be man=
ually edited or restored, especially since Pixory is beta. &nbsp;So the res=
tore process should be more intuitive.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><=
/P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I understand the Pixo=
ry has no built in function to restore the .alb files, however, I see no re=
liable manual method either.&nbsp; And so what I am asking is if there is a=
n =93official=94 backup and restore procedure.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><=
/P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Alon </SPAN></FONT><F=
ONT face=3DWingdings color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT></P>
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=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><=
/P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"rem_margin-left: .5in"><FONT face=3DTahoma si=
ze=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original M=
essage-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> pixory=
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] <B><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Joe Panico<BR><B><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, July 20, 2005 4:15 AM<BR=
><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> pixory-beta@yahoogroup=
s.com<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [pixory-b=
eta] Re: Trougleshooting .alb files</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"rem_margin-left: .5in"><FONT face=3D"Times Ne=
w Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"rem_margin-left: .5in"><TT><FONT face=3D"Cour=
ier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Alon,</SPAN></FONT></TT><=
FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAM=
ILY: 'Courier New'"><BR><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">If you search th=
rough back posts in this group, you will find a couple</FONT></TT><BR><TT><=
FONT face=3D"Courier New">of places where I have outlined what is stored in=
 the .alb files</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">versus what g=
oes in the database.</FONT></TT><BR><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">Very=
 briefly, anything that pertains to only 1 album goes in the .alb</FONT></T=
T><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">file. Information that cuts across alb=
ums is stored in the database. </FONT></TT><BR><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courie=
r New">For all intents and purposes, the .alb file is the one and only true=
</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">place where narratives and c=
aptions are stored. That is by design.</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Cou=
rier New">Contrary to what you believe, the .alb files were not intended to=
 be</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">"user manipulable". If I =
had wanted users to edit .alb files directly,</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=
=3D"Courier New">I would not have made them XML. Only Pixory should write .=
alb files.</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">The reason Pixory =
stores this information in separate .XML files is as</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FO=
NT face=3D"Courier New">a failsafe. In case Pixory malfunctions or you deci=
de to stop using</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">Pixory, you =
still have access to all of your information in a textual</FONT></TT><BR><T=
T><FONT face=3D"Courier New">form (as opposed to locked in some database yo=
u can't get at). </FONT></TT><BR><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">Pixory =
has no function to restore .alb files. The information is not</FONT></TT><B=
R><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">reliably stored anywhere else in Pixory. I=
t's the responsibility of</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">the=
 users to back up there .alb files.</FONT></TT><BR><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Co=
urier New">regards,</FONT></TT><BR><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">joe</=
FONT></TT><BR><BR><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">--- In pixory-beta@yah=
oogroups.com, "Alon :\)" &lt;alonfw@w...&gt; wrote:</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FON=
T face=3D"Courier New">&gt; As I was playing with one of my albums .alb fil=
es to troubleshoot a</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">problem<=
/FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">&gt; I lost all of my narrati=
ves :-(&nbsp; I know, my fault for not backing it up.</FONT></TT><BR><TT><F=
ONT face=3D"Courier New">&gt; But what is the best way to "restore" an alb =
file?&nbsp; Simply replacing</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">=
it does</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">&gt; not work because=
 the file name changes.&nbsp; And renaming it to the new file</FONT></TT><B=
R><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">&gt; name does not work either.&nbsp; I re=
named by backup to the new name, and</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Couri=
er New">it did</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">&gt; not work,=
 so I went into the composer and changed a setting.&nbsp; Pixory</FONT></TT=
><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">then</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"C=
ourier New">&gt; wiped out all of my narratives.&nbsp; So should I have rep=
laced the</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">contents of</FONT><=
/TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">&gt; the new file with the contents =
of the old file?</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">&gt; </FONT>=
</TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">&gt;&nbsp; </FONT></TT><BR><TT><FON=
T face=3D"Courier New">&gt; </FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">=
&gt; This seems to be a overly burdensome process for a part of the</FONT><=
/TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">system which</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FON=
T face=3D"Courier New">&gt; I would imagine would be commonly played with.&=
nbsp; I have messed with</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">alb =
files</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">&gt; while troubleshoot=
ing at least twice in the past, and each time have</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT=
 face=3D"Courier New">lost my</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=
>&gt; narratives because I tried the obvious "restore" options (renaming an=
d</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">&gt; replacing) which don't=
 work.</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">&gt; </FONT></TT><BR><=
TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">&gt;&nbsp; </FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"=
Courier New">&gt; </FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">&gt; Alon =
:-)</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">&gt; </FONT></TT><BR><TT>=
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