Re: Wish List

Alon,

> capabilities.  This would have the additional advantage of still
> allowing this `backwards compatible'  functionality to those who 

This is the best argument I've heard yet for the hierarchy. I agree
that supporting the hierarchy, for those who already have
painstakingly organized thousands of pics into a hierarchy, is a good
thing. I will try to make pixory support this, and attempt it
soonerish rather than laterish.  

regards,

joe


--- In [email protected], "Alon :\)" <alonfw@w...> wrote:
> Thanks for the link to the thread below, it is good info to know.  While
> I agree that a hierarchal scheme has its flaws, as you pointed out very
> well, let me play Devil's advocate for a minute.  
>  
> Fact of the matter is that the vast majority of people now have to use a
> hierarchy for 2 reasons. 
>  1) WinFS does not exist yet, hierarchal organization IS the way most
> digital photographers organize their photos 
>  2)  Setting up a database, even by using prepackaged systems like Jasc
> and Adobe Photo Albums, or Pixory when it gets to that level, takes a
> considerable investment of time.  Not only to get it going after you
> have many (in my case thousands) of pictures organized hierarchically,
> but also every time you get more pics.  Hierarchy = 2 minutes to put
> bunches, lets say 50 pics, in a folder.  Database (i.e. tags, keywords,
> descriptions, etc… associated with the image) takes lets say 3 minutes
> per pic x our 50 pics = 150 minutes or 2.5 hours!  I am speaking from
> personal experience as I am slowly working at getting all my pics
> cataloged (databased) via Jasc Photo Album, while IN THE MEANTIME, I can
> still find them easily via my hierarchy.
>  
> I would suggest you use the same philosophy as I have.  As I understand
> it you are working towards setting up a database functionality for
> Pixory (ie keywords),  IN THE MEANTIME it would be very useful for the
> client side to have at least a hierarchal option… seems to me that it
> should not be to hard to add just the option that the client side format
> be the same as the admin side except without the configuration
> capabilities.  This would have the additional advantage of still
> allowing this `backwards compatible'  functionality to those who still
> prefer it over the database structure once that structure is in effect.
> As for me, and I am sure others, even with a database, the hierarchal
> structure will still be useful as a simple, quick, and pre-existing
> organizational scheme, for the same reasons I am using both structures
> in Jasc.  (which, in case anyone cares, is one big reason Jasc is better
> than Adobe)
>  
> From what I can tell, it sounds like you are working towards something
> very much like Jasc or Adobe Album, except web based, which I think
> sounds like the perfect program!!
>  
> As I mentioned earlier, what I am really looking for is a program that I
> can just install and point to my `My Pictures' folder, no more work than
> that, and have it on the web for non technical friends and family to
> look at.  I have found you can do this with tzo fairly well, however the
> drawback of tzo vs. Pixory is Pixory is just more robust, more powerful.
> More specifically, Pixory allows access control and descriptions for
> images, and of course Pixory is free!
>  
> I am sad to report that at this time tzo is the better solution for me
> personally due to 
> 1) the hierarchal structure
> 2) ability to view both pics and subfolders
> 3) public access to all folders.
>  
> I hate to beat a dead horse, but I really think you should consider
> implementing those 3 improvements as an easy interim step until your
> more advanced, functional, and powerful `database' structure is
> implemented.  Off course this all may be a mute point depending on the
> timeframe you are looking at for implementing the database structure,
> however; even in the case the database structure is coming soon, the
> hierarchal structure's `backwards compatibility' for those who prefer it
> over databases and/or use in conjunction with a database for speed (when
> I come home with 50 new pics and don't have the couple of hours to index
> it into my database for the next few weeks) would still be BIG
> advantages.  The exact same advantages that I feel Jasc is superior to
> Adobe, flexabilty to do it the way I WANT, not the way the developer
> thinks I should :-)  No offence intended.
>  
> Don't get me wrong, I think a database structure is the way to go, but
> have the dual functionality is a good thing.
> Don't get me wrong regarding Pixory either, I am just playing Devil's
> Advocate (mostly), I think it is fabulous program with real potential,
> and for many people serves their needs very well just the way it is now.
> Congrats on coming up with a great idea and following through to
> actually make it a reality! 
>  
> One more thing
> Pic filenames on thumbnail page
> Which page are you talking about? The 'Album Index'
> page?
> Ideally it should be an option an all the pages.
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: joe panico [mailto:pixory@y...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 11:16 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [pixory-beta] Wish List
>  
> Alon,
> 
> > Hey, great program!  Almost exactly what I am
> 
> > 1.  A 'Tree View' for the 'client side' something
> > like what the 
> I'm still holding off on this. Please see this thread
> here:
> HYPERLINK
> "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pixory-beta/message/237"http://groups.yah
> oo.com/group/pixory-beta/message/237
> 
> Basically, I have a different scheme in mind. If,
> after I introduce that scheme, users are still kicking
> and screeming about hierarchical albums, I'll consider
> it then.
> 
> > 2.  Default all Albums to public access.
> 
> Yes. There will be a mechanism where you can easily
> set this default. It won't be in the next release, but
> hopefully soon after.
> 
> > 3.  Make pics and subfolders viewable (currently
> 
> Same as 1.
> 
> > 4.  Pic filenames on thumbnail page
> Which page are you talking about? The 'Album Index'
> page? 
> 
> regards,
> 
> joe
> 
> --- alonfw2 <alonfw@w...> wrote:
> > Hey, great program!  Almost exactly what I am
> > looking for.  What I 
> > am looking for is a simple program like this that
> > will turn my "My 
> > Pictures" folder into a website 'dynamically', ie I
> > don't have to do 
> > anything but put my pics in the dir.  In light of
> > that I have come 
> > up with the following wish list for Pixor:
> > 
> > 1.  A 'Tree View' for the 'client side' something
> > like what the 
> > admin side has.
> > 2.  Default all Albums to public access.
> > 3.  Make pics and subfolders viewable (currently
> > only subfolders are 
> > viewable, if subfolder exists = no pics viewable)
> > 4.  Pic filenames on thumbnail page
> > 
> > Again, great program!  I have never programmed in
> > Java, but maybe I 
> > could learn and help out?  Just an offer, no
> > interest in making 
> > money or anything, just interested in having the
> > ideal free 
> > software :)
> > 
> > Alon :)
> > 
> > 
> 
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