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+1: as long as you're resource-oriented (meaning you're POSTing to the
resource to be toggled, rather than a general toggle-whatever-service),
everything is fine.
cheers,
dret.
On 2014-07-09, 18:02 , Keith P Hassen wrote:
> Definitely not a departure, as Erik mentioned I think there is a common
> misconception around the use of POST (it offers no guarantees). You
> wouldn't need to POST to /command, rather, you would POST to
> /togglablethingy with a body of, for example, "toggle=true".
>
> K
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 11:47 AM, 'Simpson, Robby (GE Energy Management)'
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [rest-discuss]
> <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> __
>
> Hi Erik!
>
>
>
> On 7/9/14, 11:39 AM, "Erik Wilde" <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> >hello robby.
> >
> >On 2014-07-09, 17:29 , 'Simpson, Robby (GE Energy Management)'
> >[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [rest-discuss]
> wrote:
> >> This particular issue has arisen in the design of home automation
> >>systems. Specifically, I'm working in a standards body (the ZigBee
> >>Alliance) that has classically used a binary protocol that does not
> >>really adhere to any true architectural design (IMHO). I've been
> >>engaged in work that started in ZigBee and has now moved to IEEE
> >>(2030.5) that (attempts to) rigidly stick to a RESTful HTTP
> design. One
> >>request that has come up is to port toggle switch capability to this
> >>standard. Home automation manufacturers have actually implemented
> >>toggle switches this way in the past (see
> >>http://zigbee.org/Products/ByStandard/ZigBeeHomeAutomation.aspx).
> >
> >it sounds like the scenario we were talking about, that all you
> want is
> >to tell the resource to "reverse its state". in this case, i'd POST a
> >body that represents this request, in whatever serialization you
> happen
> >to prefer. the resource toggles. everybody's happy.
>
> OK. Still seems like a bit of a departure from typical RESTful
> interfaces
> I've seen and has the potential to be a catch-all tunnel for RPC-style
> requests.
>
> E.g.:
> /command, where one could POST all sorts of commands like "toggle."
>
>
> >but i am confused because you wrote earlier that you were concerned
> >about race conditions. which seems to imply that instead of just
> >toggling, you're also assuming that you're "toggling *from* some
> state".
> >but that wouldn't be the "blind toggle" we discussed. could you
> clarify
> >a bit how exactly the operation that you're trying to design is
> defined?
>
> Apologies, a blind toggle is what is desired. As it currently works, in
> the current binary protocol, a button press on a toggle switch simply
> sends a "toggle" command.
>
>
> >
> >cheers,
> >
> >dret.
> >
> >--
> >erik wilde | mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> -
> tel:+1-510-2061079 <tel:%2B1-510-2061079> |
> > | UC Berkeley - School of Information (ISchool) |
> > | http://dret.net/netdret http://twitter.com/dret |
>
>
>
>
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<p>+1: as long as you're resource-oriented (meaning you're POSTing to the <br>
resource to be toggled, rather than a general toggle-whatever-service), <br>
everything is fine.<br>
<br>
cheers,<br>
<br>
dret.<br>
<br>
On 2014-07-09, 18:02 , Keith P Hassen wrote:<br>
> Definitely not a departure, as Erik mentioned I think there is a common<br>
> misconception around the use of POST (it offers no guarantees). You<br>
> wouldn't need to POST to /command, rather, you would POST to<br>
> /togglablethingy with a body of, for example, "toggle=true".<br>
><br>
> K<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 11:47 AM, 'Simpson, Robby (GE Energy Management)'<br>
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [rest-discuss]<br>
> <[email protected]<br>
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> __<br>
><br>
> Hi Erik!<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 7/9/14, 11:39 AM, "Erik Wilde" <[email protected]<br>
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> >hello robby.<br>
> ><br>
> >On 2014-07-09, 17:29 , 'Simpson, Robby (GE Energy Management)'<br>
> >[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [rest-discuss]<br>
> wrote:<br>
> >> This particular issue has arisen in the design of home automation<br>
> >>systems. Specifically, I'm working in a standards body (the ZigBee<br>
> >>Alliance) that has classically used a binary protocol that does not<br>
> >>really adhere to any true architectural design (IMHO). I've been<br>
> >>engaged in work that started in ZigBee and has now moved to IEEE<br>
> >>(2030.5) that (attempts to) rigidly stick to a RESTful HTTP<br>
> design. One<br>
> >>request that has come up is to port toggle switch capability to this<br>
> >>standard. Home automation manufacturers have actually implemented<br>
> >>toggle switches this way in the past (see<br>
> >>http://zigbee.org/Products/ByStandard/ZigBeeHomeAutomation.aspx).<br>
> ><br>
> >it sounds like the scenario we were talking about, that all you<br>
> want is<br>
> >to tell the resource to "reverse its state". in this case, i'd POST a<br>
> >body that represents this request, in whatever serialization you<br>
> happen<br>
> >to prefer. the resource toggles. everybody's happy.<br>
><br>
> OK. Still seems like a bit of a departure from typical RESTful<br>
> interfaces<br>
> I've seen and has the potential to be a catch-all tunnel for RPC-style<br>
> requests.<br>
><br>
> E.g.:<br>
> /command, where one could POST all sorts of commands like "toggle."<br>
><br>
><br>
> >but i am confused because you wrote earlier that you were concerned<br>
> >about race conditions. which seems to imply that instead of just<br>
> >toggling, you're also assuming that you're "toggling *from* some<br>
> state".<br>
> >but that wouldn't be the "blind toggle" we discussed. could you<br>
> clarify<br>
> >a bit how exactly the operation that you're trying to design is<br>
> defined?<br>
><br>
> Apologies, a blind toggle is what is desired. As it currently works, in<br>
> the current binary protocol, a button press on a toggle switch simply<br>
> sends a "toggle" command.<br>
><br>
><br>
> ><br>
> >cheers,<br>
> ><br>
> >dret.<br>
> ><br>
> >--<br>
> >erik wilde | mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> -<br>
> tel:+1-510-2061079 <tel:%2B1-510-2061079> |<br>
> > | UC Berkeley - School of Information (ISchool) |<br>
> > | http://dret.net/netdret http://twitter.com/dret |<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
><br>
<br>
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